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Originally Posted by valo403

Please direct me to a school shooting carried out by "thugs"

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...NEWS/110819846

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...NEWS/120209873

http://crime.blogs.tuscaloosanews.co...-at-the-links/ (suppose to be a nice upscale apartment complex)

http://crime.blogs.tuscaloosanews.co...-in-northport/

http://crime.blogs.tuscaloosanews.co...spects-sought/

Yeah these thugs are really worried about gun laws huh?

http://crime.blogs.tuscaloosanews.co...traffic-stops/

stolen guns? these must be law abiding citizens

http://crime.blogs.tuscaloosanews.co...ported-stolen/

Also what attitude? That I believe in my second amendment rights? that I choose to carry a pistol legally? I have never had to brandish the weapon, nor do I hope to. I rather have the opportunity to defend myself if it happened. It's not like I can ask the bad guy to stop robbing me or raping my fiance for a few minutes until the cops show up.

I would rather go to some redneck bar in the sticks than walk in downtown Birmingham at night. The stats prove that people that have their permits are less likely to commit a crime or even use the weapon. If you don't want to go to the south you can always go to Chicago, or DC. I'm sure those gun free cities will protect you from robbers and such.

I'm not defending Zimmerman by any means, do ccw holders commit crimes? Yes they do, they just like everyone of us are capable of committing a crime with our without a weapon. I just think that the irrational fear of weapons is weird. That's like me saying every Canadian hockey player is missing half their teeth and are neanderthals because of Steve MacIntyre is a Canadian hockey player. Just because this guy killed a kid because he disobeyed orders from a dispatcher and was getting his ass handed to him doesn't mean that everyone or even a low percentage of us CCW holders are "vigilante" cops.

You do know that can do a citizen arrest here in the states right? With our without a weapon in your possession. So I guess every American is a "vigilante cop".

Please don't paint all ccw holders with such a broad brush. Not every German was a Nazi, nor am I a vigilante cop looking to "pop a cap in someone"

Myth: "Gun control" laws prevent crime.
There are tens of thousands of federal, state and local gun laws. The Gun Control Act of 1968 alone prohibits persons convicted of, or under indictment for, crimes punishable by more than a year in prison, fugitives, illegal drug users, illegal aliens, mental incompetents and certain other classes of people from purchasing or possessing firearms. It prohibits mail order sales of firearms, prohibits sales of firearms between residents of other states who are not dealers, prohibits retail sales of handguns to persons under age 21 and rifles and shotguns to persons under age 18 and prohibits the importation of firearms "not generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes." It also established the current firearms dealer licensing system. Consider the following:

- The overall homicide rate in the jurisdictions that have the most severe restrictions on firearms purchase and ownership—California, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, New York and Washington, D.C. is 23 percent higher than the rate for the rest of the country.

- The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 imposed unprecedented restrictions relating to firearms, nationwide. Yet, compared to the five years before the law, the national homicide rate averaged 50 percent higher during the five years after the law, 75 percent higher during the next five years, and 81 percent higher during the five years after that.

The record is clear: gun control primarily impacts upstanding citizens, not criminals. Instead of taking guns away from citizens, holding them accountable for their actions reduces crime:

http://alabamaopencarry.com/forum/in...p?topic=3413.0

CRIME AND GUNS
Basic to the debates on gun control is the fact that most violent crime is committed by repeat offenders. Dealing with recidivism is key to solving violence.
• 71% of gunshot victims had previous arrest records.
• 64% had been convicted of a crime.
• Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.
• 63% of victims have criminal histories and 73% of the time they know
their assailant (twice as often as victims without criminal histories).

Most gun violence is between criminals. This should be the public policy focus.
Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries). The chart shows the legal handgun supply in America (mainly in civilian hands) to the property crime rate.


Fact: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent
crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Fact: 60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.

Fact: Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.

Fact: 59% of the burglaries in Britain, which has tough gun control laws, are “hot burglaries” which are burglaries committed while the home is occupied by the
owner/renter. By contrast, the U.S., with more lenient gun control laws, has a “hot burglary” rate of only 13%.

Fact: Washington D.C. has essentially banned gun ownership since 1976 and has a murder rate of 56.9 per 100,000. Across the river in Arlington, Virginia, gun ownership is less restricted. There, the murder rate is just 1.6 per 100,000, less than three percent of the Washington, D.C. rate.

Fact: 26% of all retail businesses report keeping a gun on the premises for crime control.


Fact: In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate dropped 89% the following year.


Fact: A survey of felons revealed the following:

• 74% of felons agreed that, "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
• 57% of felons polled agreed, "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."


Fact: Two-thirds of the people who die each year from gunfire are criminals being shot by other criminals.

Fact: 94.4% of gun murders are gang related.


Fact: After the implementation of Canada's 1977 gun controls prohibiting handgun possession for protection, the “breaking and entering” crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the American rate.


Myth: Concealed carry laws increase crime

Fact: Thirty-nine states , comprising the majority of the American population, are "right-to-carry" states. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-to-carry law became active (as of July, 2006). Nine states restrict the right to carry and two deny it outright.

Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry permits have consistently been about 0.02% of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988.


Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida's homicide rate fell from 36% above the national average to 4% below, and remains below the national average (as ofthe last reporting period, 2005).

Fact: In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second. Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year.

Fact: More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws


Fact: People with concealed carry permits are:

• 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
• 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...6.0-screen.pdf

Good read