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Old 04-01-2012, 09:13 AM   #155
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Originally Posted by Rathji View Post
You can't mentally reclassify yourself to change your physical body. In the context of what I was responding to, about referring to a person as male when they physical present as female, then I would of course use the female descriptor. If that was confusing to you, then I apologize, but I did not think a greater amount of detail was necessary in that post.

Let me rephrase it now, so you that you can understand what I meant.

If someone is presenting themselves as a biological female, and society were to accept them as having the normal traits, appearance and demeanor of a typical female, and someone were to refer to that person as a male then they would have violated the social norms appropriate to that situation.
I should apologize as apparently I have not made my position clear. I know I was wrong to say "he" as all of the medical procedures and legal work was done in this case. She is legally considered a 'she' and that is how I should have stated it.

The past few posts, however, were not concerned with pronouns but why the sex/gender issue is set apart from other issues. The 'curing' a gay/lesbian argument is a totally irrelevant as attraction and sexuality have no physical or biological characteristics. The gender classifiers are also not important as I am sure the whole spectrum of masculine/feminine exists within the sexes of gays and lesbians (as it does within the hetero community).

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Originally Posted by Rathji View Post
It is different.

Gender is a social construct, and as such is a product of our minds. If your mind thinks it is feminine gender, then it is. It's not as simple as an anorexic thinking they are fat, because fat is a physical state. Just thinking you are fat does not make you fat, but thinking that your gender is feminine does make you feminine.
This still does not explain the jump to make the feminine a female and why it is ok only in a few very carefully controlled cases. The only things I can come up with is due to the political/lobbying clout of the LGBT community and from the medical side, simply because they can.

I believe that the medical side would love to take a crack at a number of issues but they do not have the support or backing of group strong enough to sway the politics of doing so.
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