[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

My guess is Zimmerman that got out of his truck and approached the kid possibly tried to stop him from walking away, and the kid who was likely scared ####less having had a dark SUV with a latino dude slowly following him around in an area that is largely dominated by latino drug gangs and having no way to know what the idiot was up, probably, when he thought he was trapped, then took a swing at Zimmerman in order to try and get away.
That is the story that likely allows both versions to be somewhat correct, as I have always found there is always an element of truth to both sides, My guess is the kid swung a punch in order to try and get away or maybe struggled with Zimmerman if he grabbed the kid.

Nothing about the lead up to the shooting suggests the kid would for no reason go postal on the 'wanna be cop', everything about it tends to lean towards the idiot taking his cop fantasies way to seriously and trying to stop the kid, I will grant you he probably wasn't planning on shoooting the kid, but I will bet dollars to donuts Zimmerman grabbed the kid and that initiated the struggle.

The girlfriend's account of her telephone conversation with him pretty much says otherwise.

He refused his girlfriends request to flee.

She insists the victim - her boyfriend - said the first words in the fatal confrontation. It was an angry question directed at George Zimmerman, demanding an answer.

As I noted earlier, the story from the girlfriend, relayed through her lawyer, doesn't actually contradict Zimmerman's account. He says he was returning to his vehicle when he was confronted by the victim.

It will be interesting to know if her story, as relayed through her lawyer, does indeed confirm a lengthy interval between her request that he "run" and the final confrontation that she heard.

Exactly, this kids previous past history has nothing to do with this tragic shooting at all. Thus far, with the evidence presented so far, he was killed in cold blood. The instincts comment about Zimmerman is one of the most absurd and stupidest things I have read on CP in all my years.

Thank you. That's a lofty and difficult to achieve honour on this board.

I actually didn't say his previous history had something to do with this shooting.

I merely pointed out this 6' 3" child, who had "No Limit Ni. . . . . " tattooed on his body, who sported gold teeth, who couldn't explain 12 pieces of women's jewellry and a flathead screwdriver he was caught with, who was caught with an empty weed bag, who had a cousin tweet him "You ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver" only a few days before the suspension for pot traces . . . . . . might not be the saintly child we initially heard about.

It seems to be important to some that he appear to be a defenceless child.

I pointed out the obvious . . . . it wouldn't be unusual for a neighbourhood watch to find him a likely candidate to phone in if they didn't know him and saw him strolling through the neighbourhood.

We can argue whether or not Zimmerman should have left it at that - and I agree with that point - but the action of profiling this "child" as a potential problem in a neighbourhood beset by burglary issues shouldn't really be as controversial as it has been.

By the way, Zimmerman says he did leave it at that. His account is that he stopped the pursuit when asked and got out of his vehicle to look at an address to give to the police as a locator, only to be confronted by the victim as he went back to his vehicle.

Lastly, the evidence of police and an eyewitness contradicts your claim the victim was hunted and shot in cold blood.

On the evidence of the eyewitness, supported by police and paramedic observations in the aftermath, the victim did indeed have Zimmerman on the ground and was beating him up.

The recommendation from the investigating inspector for a charge of Negligent Manslaughter, as I noted earlier, seems to be a concession that the shooter did defend himself in the end but that he bears some responsibility for the situation ending in a confrontation resulting in death.

Zimmerman's account does not concede that final point.

You either don't get out much, or have never had kids. I thought you were an old guy, so I assumed you had. Maybe I was wrong?

Remnants of weed in a baggie, writing WTF on a door handle, and having a screwdriver. Yeah, if that doesn't scream stalk the guy at night and shoot him, I don't know what does.

Sounds like any other kid. Unless you mean any kids that are visible in the neighbourhood are the types to be followed and reported on?

Here's hoping you don't belong to any wannabe cop groups yourself.

See my description of this innocent "child" above.

In zero tolerance USA school systems, black kids are far more likely to be suspended than whites.

As a black male in the Miami-Dade County school system, Treyvan had a 41% chance of being suspended once.

I do not know what the odds are that he would have been suspended three times before his 18th birthday but even for a black child, that would probably driven him down to a lower, more exceptional percentage.

There are four times as many blacks in college than there are in American prisons . . . . but a black male without a high school education has almost a 50% likelihood of serving prison time.

Young Treyvan seemed well on his way to fitting into a statistical stereotype.

If this man was so viciously assaulted, had his nose broken, his head beaten into the concrete and was in a life or death struggle with a much larger man who attacked him in the dark, why does he look so casual and unharmed half an hour later?

My good sir, don't tell me you are profiling him based on his appearance?!!!

Really? Half an hour? How about an hour or two later. After he had been treated by a paramedic in the police cruiser.

You, of all people, are one of the last people I'd suspect on this board of going in for conspiracies . . . . . but you've got a difficult row to hoe in explaining away the eyewitness, the officer observing him at close range, and the paramedic treating him for very specific injuries.

I don't have to explain the video at all. I could just say he looked distraught and dishevelled and say that's what MY observations were, then point at all the other stuff that actually happened at the scene hours earlier.

Unless you want to point to a conspiracy, the after-the-fact video is fairly irrelevant.

Cowperson