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Originally Posted by fotze
Don't help until he gets a vasectomy
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no kiddin', they're popping out one every year practically. I don't know how any mother can endure that...
On your issue of helping: "Build a man a fire, you will warm him up for the night; Teach a man how to build a fire, you will warm him up for life." I agree with others in this thread, if you really want to help, get them to clean up their life, helping them to clean up the house is not the answer long term.