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Old 01-10-2012, 12:16 PM   #65
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A winning culture? At the very best they will be the best of the stiffs--that isn't a winning culture--it's as stupid as the Flames were in the young guns era finishing just out of the playoffs. Truly dumb.

The culture change needed was all about defense. They were the worst defensive team on the planet. That is the culture change that was so needed.

They aren't winning as in their talent rising to the challenge. They are outworking the other stiffs and Bargnani is all planet on offense so far.

DD and Davis being developed is most certainly not an either/or with gaining a high draft pick. Casey is trying very hard to work on both of them especially defensively. DD's game needs a ton of work in his own end. They can work on that all year and still finish right near the bottom.

They are being carried exclusively by the vets. Vets who are very likely not in their longterm plans. Winning games while overplaying these guys will lead to injuries--no need to hope for one. Natural outcome.

Davis's playing time is being limited by how much Bargnani is playing. Bayless isn't starting, when healthy, because Casey is going with Jose's hot hand.

DD isn't getting any fast breaks because Jose dribbles for 15 seconds to start the offense. Bayless pushes the pace.

Development/more top assets are far more important than winning some meaningless games. Bayless, Davis and DD should be out there as a threesome far more often than they are. Jose should be a bench player. Bargnani's minutes at the 4 should be cut so Davis can play more. Davis is not being developed sitting on the bench. DD relegated to a jump shooter is not being developed properly either. Bayless coming off the bench isn't being developed either.

Those 3 amongst others being developed and a top pick are hand in hand.

Playing the crap out of the two vets at their expense isn't doing anything but giving them an inferior pick.

Jose should be traded and so should Barbosa--that would mean less wins and more assets. This season has nothing to do with winning.

A win this season is the highest pick possible. A win this season is Jose and Barbosa long gone. A win this season is Bayless, DD and Davis with a ton of playing time regardless of how it affects the win/loss column.

A win this season is doing nothing that screws up having a chance to actually win meaningful games next year and especially the couple of years following that. Anything else is so short sighted it's truly Flames like in terms of pathetic management.
It is important that they players show up every day knowing that they have a chance to win. If we got rid of or slashed the minutes of Calderon and Bargnani, and handed them all to Davis and Bayless then we would get blown out by 40 every night, kind of like last year. Another whole season of that will kill any trade value the players have and stunt their growth.

Bayless and Davis have been awful this year. They shouldn't just get handed minutes, they should be earning them. Not only that, but the only guy who is getting minutes that is likely not in the long term plans is Calderon. Everyone else is young, so I have no clue who you are referring to when you talk about all those vets chewing up minutes.

The culture that Casey is building is about being a good teammate, and he rewards those who do what he asks by giving them more minutes. Do you think Casey could get his message through to the team if he gave the minutes to guys who are playing like crap over Bargnani and Calderon who are playing extremely well?

If Casey can get Bayless and Davis to give him 20 quality minutes a game by the end of the year it will be a lot better for their development then having them play 30 crap minutes, which seems to be what you are after.
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