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Originally Posted by photon
They aren't separate positions, one's a position on knowledge (or knowability) and the other is a position on belief.
You can be both agnostic and atheist, or agnostic and theist for that matter.
To determine if you are an atheist just answer the question "do you believe in one or more gods". If the answer is not yes, then you are an atheist.
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Great post Photon. Put me on the gnostic side of things not that it makes me a good debater, just that I know a little. Belief or non belief doesn't have much to do with the real question although they both have their advantages.
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Well given that science has already discovered and accepted things that are beyond what can be understood with our five senses, I think this characterization is unfair (not to mention poisoning the well).
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Well I guess I was being a little argumentative but I get tired of some followers of science not being willing to explore other means of investigation or even give it any respect when a scientist should be the most open to unexplored realms.
Perhaps science has accepted things that are beyond what can be understood with our five senses but I look at it as using evidence gathered by these senses and using our mind to understand these findings even though they may not be directly observable. What I'm talking about is different than what our mind can understand and involves calming the mind or as I think it may have been Jesus said, 'be still and I will come into you'.