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Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3
If you haven't already yet, you should read "The Killing Joke". Basically tells the origin of the Joker in one plot-line and another which involves Batman. The book is an absolute must read for any fan of Batman. I think I'll go over it again tonight.
Note: Nolan has already said, in multiple interviews, that Harvey died at the end of TDK, so don't get your hopes up people.
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I liked the killing joke because it was strongly written and really explained the comic book story line joker, I really loved the joke itself, and thought that Batman trying to save the Joker to the end while hating what he became was a nice bit of story telling.
But I really don't think that it really matched the Nolan Joker that well with the whole Standup Comedian failure thing leading to the tragedy that changed his life.
Nolan's joker wasn't really that type to me there was a real fierce curiosity to everything that the Joker did and a need to manipulate through the truth.
In the movie the Joker wanted to shape the world and treat it like a mouse maze. He only lied once in the movie, that's when he explained to Dent that he had no plan, that he was a dog chasing a car and had no idea what he would do if he caught it. But everything he did was maticulously thought out.
The Bank robbery was planned out, but not in the name of actually committing the crime but in starting the ball rolling to the end game which was that he wanted not to destoy Batman or kill him, but to make him change.
He wasn't as much interested in Chaos as he was interested in creating a very structured maze with one entrance and one exit. He predicted everything based on a keen understanding of human nature. The only time that he didn't predict something properly was when neither party blew up a boat.
I've always said that Nolan's Joker was to me a academic who had his heart ripped out, whether his scars were self created or created by an incident that destroyed his humanity we'll never know.
But I have a gut feeling that the Joker, whoever he was in the Nolan universe was once a good man and that's what makes him frightening.
I would love to see a backstory movie, there are massive possibilities, I just don't think that the Killing Joke Joker of Batman comics fits it that well.