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Originally Posted by valo403
Nope. There are tons of links throughout the thread. You seem pretty well versed in stories that suit your agenda, odd that those that may counter it are so difficult for you to find.
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Okay, I'll bite.
I went through this whole thread, and here's what I found:
A man attacking the occupiers:
http://gawker.com/5852443/knife+wiel...ters-get-a-job
Violence towards the occupiers, not by the occupiers.
One person dying in a drug overdose:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/travel/...501/story.html
Note that ~47000 die of drug related causes annually in Canada, and considering the demographic of the demonstrators and the length of the time period, I dare to say this was not that unlikely. Also: no violence involved.
New York demonstrators behaving badly:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...n03WyJWAJu4AhO
Note: non-violent.
LA demonstrators behaving badly:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/...s-blood-urine/
Again: disgusting (if true, of which there is no guarantee), but not violent.
Ah, here it is, the sum of occupy-violence in this thread:
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Occ...921/story.html
Here's the actual scene, in full length for those who insist that "we are propably not seeing the whole truth":
The tussle seemed to be essentially about native Americans claiming the fire to be sacred. I have no idea what to think about it honestly.
In any case, I really have a hard time seeing how that pretty isolated and, at the end of it, rather unremarkable incident (which the police seemed to handle okay btw) can be used as an excuse to use violence towards the protesters.
Here's the claims made:
- Stabbings and attacks
- protesters rushing the police line
I'm pretty much saying this didn't happen. No links, no police department saying this is what happened, no video, no news reports, nothing. Unsubstantiated BS.
- cleaning products used against the police (wtf?)
Didn't find anythign with google or in this thread.
- old lady being tossed down the stairs
There is a video of an old lady falling down the stairs at a site where there are occupiers. I have found no reports from someone who was there (police, the old lady, bystander) saying that she was pushed. Most propably internet hyperbole, and propably an accident even if there was even an accidental pushing.
It's really funny that some people here keep standing on the high horse with this "they are just so ignorant, they know nothing, damned hippies" etc.
Funny thing is, the people sympathizing with the protesters keep siting statistics like unemployment (
http://oi40.tinypic.com/scq4u8.jpg), income share (
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...13-2008%29.svg) and pay development (
http://i.imgur.com/oKMsL.jpg).
On the other hand, the people calling them "ignorant" and "misinformed" quote Fox News and a bunch of commentators.
It's also actually downright funny how some people keep repeating how "we don't know what happened before that", yet don't actually have anything to go with that. You have to remember, the protesters are not the only ones with recordings of what happened. There's plenty of independent media around, and even downright hostile media like people wanting to sell stories to outfits like Fox News. The police also routinely film public demonstrations and protests in most countries, although I have no idea if they do that in the US.
I haven't seen any reports of any protester being charged with violence towards the police or anyone. No footage of protester violence has emerged, despite an essential barrage of media attention. (In the US or Canada. The Rome protests are a different matter entirely.)
Unless someone is willing to show me something even marginally resembling facts, I'm calling a total BS on the claims the protests are anything but remarkably non-violent.