[Thor]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

The end of capitalism HAS to result in some form of "Communism".

My point is the solution to current problems isn't communism nor is anyone but fringe people suggesting it. Which is why its silly to suggest these people are out in force cheering for communism.

I suggest you look up Communism. At its root, it's sharing (hint: look up the word "commune"). If people can't compete for there own betterment, then, by logic, they must be working of the betterment of everyone else, to some degree. Therefore I am correct - The removal of capitalism is, by logical conclusion, the promotion of some form of communism.

Not sure why you think I am unaware of communism, or its meanings. I am fully aware how American's often mistake socialism as communism and see any talk of socialist democracies as akin to Nazi Germany or communist China. I live in a socialist democracy, have lived in 2 of them in fact, because I used to live in Canada

Its odd how people are fiercely about democratic values, the importance of people having a say and a voice in our countries to dictate laws, policies and shape our future. This is something we all I think agree on, yet when it comes to economic policies, people are quite the opposite. Destroy unions, get rid of social safety nets, allow more wealth to be put in the hands of less people; all the while the middle class and everyone else is slowly becoming weaker and weaker.

People are constantly doing things against their own best interests, unions is just one example of a long proud history of this.

If we do go commie, I am certainly quitting my job and becoming an unemployed bum, so the hippies can work their ass off to support me and see how it feels with the tables turned.

Its amazing how angry you are at these imagined leeches living off of all the hard working people. Have you ever been to a homeless shelter? Volunteered at a soup kitchen? There is certainly an element of people who will not work and often these are people riddled with mental problems and often substance abuse.

If your theory had any substance, you'd see high unemployment in socialist EU/Nordic nations, yet we compare to the US and Canada and have much better social nets for the poor. Iceland in fact until this recent crash held around 1% unemployment, and imported a lot of foreign workers to help fill the shortage. This is common in Nordic nations, which are very socialistic countries.

You'll also find wages and paid vacations are excellent in these nations, while you guys fight for 3 week paid vacation a year we get 5 weeks to start with, including tons of long weekends and extended work holidays around Christmas and New years. Our unions take about .7% of our wages and give us tons of benefits that most employers would not willingly provide if they didn't have a union to deal with.

Its amazing to me to see how we love to see business do well and workers do no better than they did 20-30 years ago in the US. All the while companies ship jobs overseas, downsize, and do everything in their power to maximize profits often at the expense of the workers.

Its a very sad situation, people don't want to fight for the average worker anymore but rather to protect and coddle the wealthy, big business and people who certainly don't need the help.