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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So you're comparing heroin, a drug that people literally kill, prostitute, steal etc for, to nicotine, a drug that people...purchase legally at their local 7/11.

How are those remotely similar?

Actually I wasn't - you were.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

fyp. Replace with any of 500 other addictions.

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I was just saying that your comparisons to other addictions had no validity here as they were not the addiction in question. If we were to bring in other addictions you still had no point as smoking has been proven to be an extremely difficult addiction to beat. Most who try to beat it revert back to smoking. You yourself cheat and rationalize as evidenced in the quitting thread.

Comments like "well when you're dealing with that kind of addict" make no sense. This is the same stuff I addressed earlier. Yes, nicotine is addicting. No it is not "just like crack" and one of "those" types of addictions. Study or no study that is bull####.

I don't see how completely disregarding medical studies is either rational or reasonable.

Smoking has never ruined someone's life the way coke/heroin have.

This is probably subject to legality, availability, and price and nothing to do with the addictive nature.

Yes they may die, but smokers know that. They may even rationalize it with crap like "well, we all die" but that isn't the point.

Rationalizing an irrational action...no?

The point is that there is no "illness of addiction". That has absolutely nothing to do with smoking in a doorway. I'm blown away anyone could even make that link.

I didn't. I was simply addressing your attempt at trivializing the addiction by bringing in other irrelevant addictions.

This is about people being inconsiderate dicks. Always has.

Which a fairly large percentage of smokers are.

Throwing out the other comments about cancer and addiction is just a way to heavily slant your argument.

Addicts have a tendency to rationalize their actions. The diseases surrounding smoking are very well known yet people continue to smoke - why is that?

There is no business talking about smokers like that. It is laughable. I have personally seen people empty their bank account and sell their truck for an 8ball. People have done many illegal things to get hard drugs, including murder, prostitution, violence etc.

I think you were the one that brought up the other addictions as a means of deflection. If you want to extend this, many smokers would empty the bank accounts of their family if there were not provided with heath care benefits.

I have never heard of someone killing a Macs employee because they couldn't afford smokes.

Again - price and accessibility.


For context from the other thread:

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I get the odd craving but I now consider myself a full on non-smoker.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I still tend to cheat a little on weekends when I'm drinking but other than that I'm still going strong as well.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Even though I have the odd smoke when I drink or on the weekend I don't get cravings anymore really. Watching people smoke on TV isn't a big deal.

Something about alcohol in my system though that I just can't shake. I'm fine Sun-Thurs but as soon as I have a few drinks I'd do anything for a smoke.

Perhaps things have changed since then.

My feeling on the addictive nature is that once a smoker always a smoker - the key is to increase the amount of time between smokes (6.5 years here).