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Originally Posted by valo403
Have you ever left Calgary?
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No need to act condescending. It makes you come off rather jerkish. But, to answer your question, I'm not even originally from Calgary so it is naturally assumed that I have indeed left Calgary.
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Originally Posted by valo403
There are literally hundreds of cities around the world that have solved this apparent Gordian knot and imposed tolls on major roadways. Again, not a complicated system.
1) Place toll plazas on roadways
2) Have people pay tolls
3) Profit
You don't even need the ???? step.
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Please tell me which of the the entrances to Calgary would you place toll plazas? If it is not all entrances then what is the logical recourse when traffic from out of town diverts from the tolled entrances to those that are untold?
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How do you distinguish between people visiting Calgary for pleasure instead of work? You don't, purpose of use plays no part.
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Maybe you have failed to notice but the original suggestion was that out of town workers should be tolled because they work in Calgary yet live out of town.
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Do you charge tourists because they are also using the infrastructure and not paying for it? Yes, why wouldn't you. Use is use.
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Discouraging tourism to Calgary doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
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How do you charge out of town workers? Is it a flat fee? Does it matter if someone works in the downtown core or a half of a kilometre inside the city limits? Do you charge per vehicle or per person? Without a camera checkpoint (photograph of license plate and/or sticker pass) or a tollbooth how is this accomplished? You charge them by having them pay a toll, that's sort of the point. Whether that's a cash payment or ideally through the use of a pass system/license plate photographs. The destination only matters if you setup progressive tolling based on portion of road used, which is done by placing toll stations at exits. Charge per person? Why would something aimed at road usage charge per person? That makes absolutely no sense.
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Sigh, the original suggestion was that out of town workers should be tolled because they work in Calgary yet live out of town. There is more to infrastructure than just roads yet you seem to have only concerned yourself with road usage.
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And how you got the idea that toll roads would be setup without actually using a tolling system is rather odd.
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Please point out where I suggested that toll roads would be set up without using a tolling system. Otherwise, don't put words in my mouth.
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Do you fine people without a sticker if they have an out of town residence listed on their vehicle registration when you find out they don't have the pass?What sticker? What pass? It seems you've implemented a tolling system here without actually telling me what it is. If you need a pass to pay a toll, which is the setup in many cities, and don't have one then yes you are fined/billed for the cost of the toll. Would it make more sense to just let those people cruise through for free?
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I have implemented no tolling system without telling you what it is. I was simply presenting possible questions associated with some of the systems.
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What if those people are simply driving through Calgary and not stopping? Again, destination doesn't matter. I didn't stop the last time I crossed the Triborough bridge, that would probably be a bad idea, it doesn't mean I don't have to pay for the use of the infrastructure.
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I think a toll just to enter the city would be a terrible idea. Also, you don't have to present absurdities and suggest that those were my intention.
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I'm not sure that a toll system makes sense for Calgary, largely because iT would have to be implemented on Deerfoot which is still provincially managed afaik,
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Okay, another reason why it won't happen...
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but a toll system is certainly not the complicated issue you've dreamed up and definitely isn't something that impinges upon any notions of this being a free country, which is in all honesty one of the more ridiculous things I have ever read.
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I haven't dreamed up anything regarding toll systems. Perhaps I should avoid debate when I am tired and I could have worded the whole "free country" thing a bit better but the premise is simple. If you essentially tax people for entering a city based upon where they reside then you are restricting the movement of people. It is a smaller scale version of a "head tax" for immigration and those have not been seen as ethical in historical examinations.