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Old 07-29-2011, 11:39 AM   #157
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Sure, that's exactly what I'm doing, when I didn't even make a comment about the content of either article.



Well duh, neither article is scientific, since they're journalistic articles by the media, not scientific ones by scientists.

What scientists think is part of the scientific method. Getting a paper published in a journal is the beginning of science, not the end of it.

If this paper has merit, will will be referenced, and supported, and its conclusions will be supported. If not, then it'll just be a bunch of words in an archive somewhere.



Not really, at least not in the way you think "wrong" means. This paper doesn't invalidate AGW by any means, it just proposes that the models are inaccurate (which means they are wrong, but there's a difference between wrong meaning the amount of warming is 20% less and wrong meaning there's cooling not warming).

Dr. Spencer has been on this for many years, this paper is nothing new.



The standard hasn't changed, it only appears so because you don't understand the standard to begin with.
Where did you get the 20% figure? What i've read so far is the models under estmated the loss of heat or rather over estimated the ability of clouds to hold in heat after periods of warmth. Since the holding in of heat would cause more evaporation which would lead to more heat holding clouds and so on it is quite significant to the theory.
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