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Originally Posted by photon
Right, by that definition of god we can't determine if they exist or not, and saying they categorically do not exist would be a leap of faith I agree.
But discussion of a god that appears exactly if everything occurred according to natural laws is kind of useless IMO, it's like trying to convince someone the universe was created ex nihilo last Tuesday, with everyone's memories, the appearance of age, etc all in place. There's no way to prove or disprove it, so it's only useful to keep stoners busy.
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It may be useless, but it's pretty close to the view more and more people of faith outside of the regular church going crowd adopt, even if they wouldn't summarize it so concisely. They acknowledge the evil in the world and don't try to defend an everyday hands on new testament God, but still see the universe as a divine creation based on lingering religiosity and a desire for the comfort they find in the notion.