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Old 06-15-2011, 06:27 AM   #60
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Does anyone get a strong alternative-lifestyle, hemp clothing, farmers market vibe from Devils' Advocate? I feel like he's the penultimate hipster-troll. No one in this day and age can be so pro-union yet know how to operate a keyboard well enough to get on the inter-tubes.

Unions have no significant place in modern society, and your constant stories of corporate wrong doesn't mean unions are right. It means you should have helped thos epoor people find a labour lawyer and agreed to testify. You live in the USA, right? You could have made these people rich on the winnings.
I worked for union shops as both an employee and management in a production line industry. I am anti-union because it keeps useless people in their jobs more often than not.

However, If you think that unions could simply be replaced by 'lawyering up' whenever something goes wrong, you are sadly mistaken.

I could give countless examples, but I will just say that some industries require unions to keep management in check. Specifically ones staffed by nearly all 'new immigrant' labour, where the typical employee doesnt realize that they have the rights that they do. They come from places that are so bad that they will happily eat a s#it sandwich if it means they have a job in Canada. Even if they realized they were being exploited, many dont have the ability to figure out where to get a lawyer or how to contact the labour board, let alone surviving financially while their appeal is heard.

That said, a case could be made that the existence of unions in these situations encourages the conflict with management, which amplifies the problem, and that if unions went away the problem eventually would to.

Anyway, off my soap box - The City (and Air Canada/Canada Post) are not staffed with people like this, so don't fall into the industries that I feel should be unionized. I don't blame them for trying to get the biggest paycheck possible though, I do the same when I am negotiating my salary. Like has been said many times in this thread already, greed drives people to want more. Thats how things work, no sense getting mad about it when it is someone other than you wanting more.
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