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Sylvanfan · 01-04-2006, 12:46 PM

Actually Cheese's statement about the Liberals being a more central party makes a lot of sense. Ontario is the swing province that holds a lot of political clout. I think one of the reasons that the Liberals have held that province is that they managed to present themselves as central enough to maintain power there. Provincially it is a province that has shown that it will change governments. IIRC the NDP, Conservatives, and Liberals have all governed that province in the past 20 years. Whereas in Alberta the Cons are on like what a 30 plus year run?

Politics is a game of sales for the most part. You have to sell the people on something be it how bad the other guy is or how good you are. People who are passionate about politics are like people who are passionate about music to me. The most popular music out there is panned by those who are usually really passionate as being mainstream crap thats not that good. The real music is lesser know independent stuff not being broadcast by the big players in Canadian music. Be it right or wrong, the mainstream stuff is what most people know and what they'll buy because it's what they hear. Most people can't be bothered to put that type of effort into politics either (whether they should or not). As a result they can be influenced to vote on what they hear in the mainstream media, and not probe all that deep into the whole scheme of things.

Those who post in these forms be it if they are Conservative or Liberal can sit here and fling mud at each other all day long. These appear to be the people who have the passion to dig into politics and follow it closely. You can argue all day, but I don't think anyone is going to switch sides. Elections are about getting the people on the fence to join your team. The mainstream people who supposedly know nothing. The Liberals have been able to stay central enough to attract these people in Ontario while the Conservatives have had a tough time shaking that reform Right Wing hard line Christian image. If it wasn't true the Liberals wouldn't have been winning in that province since 1993. The Conservatives have tried to centralize themselves a bit more, and as a result do appear to be gaining ground in Ontario. Rather than fight each other, you should be trying to appeal to the undecided. Thats where the fight is won.

01-04-2006, 12:46 PM	#36
Sylvanfan Appealing my suspension Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Just outside Enemy Lines Exp:	Actually Cheese's statement about the Liberals being a more central party makes a lot of sense. Ontario is the swing province that holds a lot of political clout. I think one of the reasons that the Liberals have held that province is that they managed to present themselves as central enough to maintain power there. Provincially it is a province that has shown that it will change governments. IIRC the NDP, Conservatives, and Liberals have all governed that province in the past 20 years. Whereas in Alberta the Cons are on like what a 30 plus year run? Politics is a game of sales for the most part. You have to sell the people on something be it how bad the other guy is or how good you are. People who are passionate about politics are like people who are passionate about music to me. The most popular music out there is panned by those who are usually really passionate as being mainstream crap thats not that good. The real music is lesser know independent stuff not being broadcast by the big players in Canadian music. Be it right or wrong, the mainstream stuff is what most people know and what they'll buy because it's what they hear. Most people can't be bothered to put that type of effort into politics either (whether they should or not). As a result they can be influenced to vote on what they hear in the mainstream media, and not probe all that deep into the whole scheme of things. Those who post in these forms be it if they are Conservative or Liberal can sit here and fling mud at each other all day long. These appear to be the people who have the passion to dig into politics and follow it closely. You can argue all day, but I don't think anyone is going to switch sides. Elections are about getting the people on the fence to join your team. The mainstream people who supposedly know nothing. The Liberals have been able to stay central enough to attract these people in Ontario while the Conservatives have had a tough time shaking that reform Right Wing hard line Christian image. If it wasn't true the Liberals wouldn't have been winning in that province since 1993. The Conservatives have tried to centralize themselves a bit more, and as a result do appear to be gaining ground in Ontario. Rather than fight each other, you should be trying to appeal to the undecided. Thats where the fight is won.