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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Interesting...Cameron makes a good point but people just seem to ignore it. Just because Hawkings says in his scientific view Heaven doesn't exist doesn't make it true. Cameron is right in that fact that Hawkings can't prove that Heaven doesn't exist.

Hawking didn't say that though, so Cameron is right about something he made up. Gold star for Cameron?

This is called a straw man fallacy, any argument made that is a straw man is invalid.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

I disagree if you are going to say that something doesn't exist that people throughout history have believed to exist, than you should be able to back up your statement with proof.

This is argumentum ad populum, appeal to a common belief. It is also a logical fallacy, any argument made from argumentum ad populum is invalid.

Not to mention that by this standard, it's up to you to prove the Christian God exists, since more people than not believe in some other God or gods or no gods.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

If he just said that Heaven doesn't exist I'd be willing to accept it but if he says that based upon his scientific view than I'd expect he'd actually have scientific proof to back up such a claim, otherwise it's just an opinion.

Well rather than looking at what Cameron says, look at what Hawking actually does say:

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."

I regard, meaning it's his opinion. He didn't say anything about scientific evidence.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

As for proving that heaven does exist I reject your declaration that the bible doesn't count. I'm tired of people stating in any religion thread that the bible isn't proof (I'm not playing by your rules anymore).

Why should the Bible count as proof? Why does the Bible count as proof but the other religious books do not count as proof?

Heck the Bible itself has contradicting points of view on the afterlife from OT to NT.

Is the Harry Potter book proof of the existence of Hogwarts? Of course not. Just because something is written doesn't make it true.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

It's proof enough for me and I won't just allow you or anyone else take that away from me.

Who's trying to take it away from you?

You understand that disagreeing with you isn't trying to take it away right?

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

The Bible has more proof for the existence of Heaven and God than I've seen from Hawkings regarding his statement that Heaven doesn't exist.

Well since Hawking's statement is his opinion the comparison is nonsensical.