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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
but as a scientist, the onus isn't on him to prove that something doesn't exist, it's up to Cameron and other Christians to gather evidence and put forth a case that God and heaven do exist (and sorry, but the bible doesn't count). so far there has never been any observable facts that would suggest heaven is a real place, so in the scientific realm it is perfectly acceptable to say that it doesn't exist
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I disagree if you are going to say that something doesn't exist that people throughout history have believed to exist, than you should be able to back up your statement with proof. If he just said that Heaven doesn't exist I'd be willing to accept it but if he says that based upon his scientific view than I'd expect he'd actually have scientific proof to back up such a claim, otherwise it's just an opinion.
As for proving that heaven does exist I reject your declaration that the bible doesn't count. I'm tired of people stating in any religion thread that the bible isn't proof (I'm not playing by your rules anymore). It's proof enough for me and I won't just allow you or anyone else take that away from me. The Bible has more proof for the existence of Heaven and God than I've seen from Hawkings regarding his statement that Heaven doesn't exist.