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Originally Posted by Shazam
The O&G jobs are available. If you're a job seeker, then they are a very viable source of employment.
So you want to remove them because they make your argument look bad?
I have no idea why Sliver gets such a hate on for teachers.
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I haven't actually argued a position in this thread though. I'm just saying that contrary to popular belief, a large amount of Calgary does not work for O&G providers and does not get that much time off to start. As I said before, the vast majority of new grads get 2-3 weeks vacation with minimal (if any) flex days. The perks that people get at large provider companies are not representative of the rest of Calgary.
For my position on teachers with CBE, I'll quote my old response:
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It seems to me that a lot of the pro-teacher arguments involve people who clearly go above and beyond what is actually required of them. I'm sure they are great teachers because of this but. . .just because they do these things does not mean that all teachers are required to. For example, buying classroom tools out of your own pocket is not required. Like everyone else in this thread (haha) I have a bunch of CBE teacher friends and it seems like there is a new trend to not spend any of your own money for your classroom. The ultimate goal is for the financial plans to be restructured so that they won't rely on teachers to use their own money.
As for how much teachers work after hours, I do know that in addition to regular class time they are also required to put in extra curricular efforts such as being a football coach or something. The lesson planning/marking is also mostly done after hours but the more experienced you are the easier those duties become. Teachers work hard but I would say they don't work any harder than than any other career I know of. In this day and age, everyone I know puts in extra hours at night or on the weekends. Tis life.
As for the vacation time, yes, teachers get more than any other profession I've ever heard of. All of my friends never do any work over the summer and a lot of them proceed to take 6 to 8 week vacations abroad. They go back to work about 5-7 days before the school year begins from what I've seen. One thing a lot of people are considering though is the exchange of salary for the time off? Would you rather have the time off from work for a reduced salary or work more from increased pay? Tough question in my opinion.
All in all, I appreciate the social service that teachers do but I'm kind of sick of all my teacher buddies bragging to me about how much time they get off . . . dinks  . If you want to talk about a crappy teaching gig lets talk about being a sessional instructor at a university haha.
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I understand the frustration that new education grads are feeling however. When I started grad school, all my friends and colleagues were snapping up amazing pharmaceutical research jobs with very high salaries, signing bonuses, company perks etc. By the time I finished grad school, an estimated 300,000 pharmaceutical industry jobs had been lost and nobody could find a position. The entire pharmaceutical research game had fundamentally changed and I decided it was not as lucrative as I had once hoped. After a lot of soul searching, I decided to move my career in a different direction.