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Originally posted by transplant99@Sep 12 2004, 05:18 PM
Okay Tranny, since you're going to be an idiot about this, how about if China unilaterally decided that George Bush and the United States were the greatest threat to the world as we know it and decided to launch an offensive against an unguarded nation right now? Would you be p*ssed off?
Ahhh...here comes the name calling. Now i know im right.
Would i be p*ssed off? Of course i would...duh.
Or would you thank your luck stars that we were rescued from our oppressive leaders?
Ummm...what oppressive leaders? I am more than able to do as i please in this country. Unlike others in other countries....follow the bouncing ball Lanny.
Would China's actions be justified?
No...because they arent doing it to remove an oppresive dictator. What the hell are you arguing exactly?
The US does lead the world in incarceration of its own citizens (hard to believe when the country is only 300 million in size compared to the billion in China and India).
Correct....they put them in prison for crimes committed...they dont KILL them because they disgree with government policy or religious beliefs. Geezuz man...you are a trip.
Would this not give them the excuse of human rights violations as a reason to rescue the American people?
WHAT?? Are you suggesting countries, including the US, cant imprison people that break the law, without being accused of himan rights violations? Yep...let aanarchy rule Lanny...watch how much "fun" that would be.
Wow.
What you REFUSE to acknowledge, let alone accept, is the fact that the people in these countries know no other way of life and they have survived with in the confines of that system. How is it right for us to say that they are wrong? Why are we the ones who call them down for their form of government?
Holy crap!!!
Because they "know no other way of life" is reason enough to just ignore them and allow it to happen? Hey here sia question for you...since many children in this very country live in an abusive household and in fear daily, should we just ignore them and allow it to happen...because they "are used to it"?
There is an inherent right for ALL people to live free and without fear from oppresion. But hey, you want to support dictitors and disagree...go right ahead. The human spirit is a strong one and will fight through to freedom eventually. Thank god for this, or you would just as soon have women in Afghanistan stoned to death for not wearing a flippin scarf around their face or actually having the gall to learn how to read. Yeah Lanny...THATS what you are suggesting.
We can't go in and think everyone is evil because of one man.
Who suggested EVERYONE is evil? In fact, I am suggesting the people getting violated of basic human rights are NOT evil, but one guy doing it is. So I THINK< it would a really good idea to remove him..you dont. Good for you.
We have to try and open up their land to democracy through diologue, not through war. War should always be the last resort, and not spoken of lightly. With the Bush administration military action is the first natural response to any problem.
Let me see here. Bush takes office in January 2000, but the first bomb doesnt drop until October 2001....after his country has open war declared on them. Yup..he is a warmonger allright. Wonder what he did for those 21 months preceding 9/11?
Whether you want to admit it or not, the United States and its leadership is the greatest threat to world peace at the moment.
Yeah right...HAHAHAHA.
I guess the Madrid train bombings, the Russian school incident, the bombings in Bali and Yemen are all Bush fault which of course makes HIM the biggest threat to "world peace". I ask one question...what world peace would that be? The one that existed before 9/11? Holy smokes you just outdid yourself.
They are the only country capable of launching an offensive anywhere in the world in short order. WE are the threat that concerns everyone, and that should be a concern for us.
So what? Should they NOT be able to launch an offensive? Should they NOT have a military capable of helping ANYONE who asks for it?
Way to skirt what i said in the earlier post though....tough to argue facts i guess.
Im the idiot though...gotcha. 
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Ummm...what oppressive leaders? I am more than able to do as i please in this country. Unlike others in other countries....follow the bouncing ball Lanny.
No thanks, don't like the tune you're singing.
I'm curious, just how do you know what freedoms other countries have? Travel much? Been to the far east? Been in a communist country before? I really haven't seen much of a difference myself, and my wife, who has been all through Europe, Russia and the Far East, didn't see much difference herself. They military take a more active role in policing ofd the state, but you know that if you follow the laws of the land then you are safe from anything and are free to do as you please. You know, kind of like in America. The biggest restriction that she saw in China and the Koreas were restrictions on travel. You had to have the appropriate papers to go places. Big whoop. For countries where bicycles are still the primary form of transportation its not a stretch to never have a need to travel beyond your own city or province.
No
...because they arent doing it to remove an oppresive dictator. What the hell are you arguing exactly?
Depends on who you talk to or what their frame of reference was. That's the whole point, who is right to say what is oppression? You have no idea what their core values are and they know nothing of ours. What right do we have to tell them that our way of life is any better or worse than theirs? Have you ever lived under their form of government? You have no right, nor does some flunky from Washington, to tell someone in another country how they should live their life.
Correct....they put them in prison for crimes committed...they dont KILL them because they disgree with government policy or religious beliefs. Geezuz man...you are a trip.
And you know that people in prison in other countries are there because they have not committed crimes against the laws of that country and are just political priosners? You have a futur with Amnesty International. But then again, they continually hammer the US for their incarceration issues, so maybe not.
Again, what right do you have to judge the laws of another country and another culture? What right do you, or said flunky in Washington, have the right to tell anyone whose set of laws are right and whose are wrong?
Because they "know no other way of life" is reason enough to just ignore them and allow it to happen? Hey here sia question for you...since many children in this very country live in an abusive household and in fear daily, should we just ignore them and allow it to happen...because they "are used to it"?
There is an inherent right for ALL people to live free and without fear from oppresion. But hey, you want to support dictitors and disagree...go right ahead. The human spirit is a strong one and will fight through to freedom eventually. Thank god for this, or you would just as soon have women in Afghanistan stoned to death for not wearing a flippin scarf around their face or actually having the gall to learn how to read. Yeah Lanny...THATS what you are suggesting.
Well, since you brought it up, why is the government NOT doing something about the problems of family violence that take place in this country? Why are they not doing anything to deal with the poverty in this country? Why are they not doing something to deal with organizated crime, the drug trade, the smuggling and trade of illegal immigrants, etc. Why Tranny? Oh yeah, I forgot, they're too busy telling other countries how great it is in America and how everyone should emulate their form of government (nee democracy).
Like I said earlier Tranny, WHO is to say who is a dictator? You believe every single thing that the government here tells you, so how are you any differnet from a person living in North Korea who believes every single thing that their government tells them? As sickening as it is for women in Afghanistan, that was the cultural norm and it transends borders and is not only prevalent in Afghanistan. All across the Arab world women are not allowed to show flesh to varying degrees. Does that mean they are all open to invasion? And what about those cultures that allow the use of drugs. Don't you think for a second that they view the US' laws on drug use oppressive and archaic? Again, who is to judge?
Let me see here. Bush takes office in January 2000, but the first bomb doesnt drop until October 2001....after his country has open war declared on them. Yup..he is a warmonger allright. Wonder what he did for those 21 months preceding 9/11?
War was declared on the US? As you like to say, WOW! Did I miss the declaration of war delivered from a particular country? Did I miss where Afghanistan declared war? I must have slept through the declaration of war from Iraq. Care to point out this declaration? And don't point to 9/11 as a decalation of war. A terrorist attack is just that.
So what? Should they NOT be able to launch an offensive? Should they NOT have a military capable of helping ANYONE who asks for it?
If everyone had a defensive military, then what would the world be? Oh yeah, at peace.