[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

Just like everything on the internet, take it with a grain of salt.

IMO, people who get their info from bodybuilding.com are people to avoid.

Unfortunately I think that's where Blankall got his info from.

Originally Posted by blankall

I'm not going to recommend anyone go out and eat a pound of bacon, but a lot of science lately totally disproves what you are saying.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the gold standard for science is randomized controlled trials which is where "what I'm saying" is from, not t-nation articles. I'm simply reiterating what said trials conclude, not what my opinion is.

Originally Posted by blankall

The vast majority of cholesterol in your body is produced by the body itself. So while eating cholesterol may result in a very minor and temporary spike in cholesterol levels, it won't affect your overall levels over a period of time.

I've heard some incorrect things, but wow, that almost takes the cake.

Try here:

It has been known for 40 years that dietary saturated fat (SAT FAT) increases plasma cholesterol, including LDL-C and HDL-C. In humans, where LDL-C is typically > 90 mg/dl this SAT FAT effect largely reflects changes in LDL-C pool size. The original human studies suggested that LDL-C expansion during SAT FAT consumption reflected reduced LDL clearance (LDL receptor activity) in hyperlipemics and increased LDL production rates in normolipemics (LDL-C < 100 mg/dl)

I notice you're using the words "cholesterol" and "saturated fats" interchangeably. Saturated fats are not a form of cholesterol, but rather, they increase low-density lipoproteins which are.

If I were to take that last part concretely, you would be partially correct in saying that in some individuals actual cholesterol intake (ie cholesterol as in the RDA is 300 mg as in NOT saturated fats) does not affect the serum lipids. This is due to a gene mutation that is not found in many people; most people have a cholesterol-increasing effect from cholesterol intake.

Originally Posted by blankall

A lot of studies in the past showed there was a link between LDL consumption and heart disease, however, these studies did not take into account the affect of obesity and foods high in cholesterol are usually associated with high calorie diets. The same people who eat lots of bacon are the same people overeat on hamburgers, fries, etc.. and are generally obese.

What newer studies are showing is that eating cholesterol has zero affect on heart disease. The true culprit is obesity.

This is directly opposed to a hundred years of strictly controlled and accepted research. That is a new level of ignorance. In fact, that's anti-science right there.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/33/12/2559.short

When compared with a low cholesterol (98 mg/day) high polyunsaturated fat (P/S ratio 1.6) diet, the high cholesterol (1021 mg/day), high saturated fat (P/S ratio 0.4) diet increased serum cholesterol (23%) by raising the cholesterol concentration in very low- density lipoproteins (59%), low-density lipoproteins (15%), and high- density lipoproteins (30%). The low-density lipoprotein- cholesterol/high-density lipoprotein-cholesterol ratio fell significantly from 1.78 to 1.58.

Originally Posted by blankall

In terms of fats, the only really bad ones for you are trans fats. These occur naturally in animal fats, but only at really low levels. Your body can handle them in moderation. However, they can occur in extremely high levels in articifical fats.

So in other words, as long as you have your weight under control, you'd be better off eating a bacon cheeseburger, than a slice of bread with margerine containing trans-fats.

Finally something right. Trans-fats raise LDL, TG, and lower HDL. Brutal stuff. Whether a bacon cheeseburger is worse than trans fats depends on the values in each, however.

By the way, if you're going to reply to this post, for the love of god cite some scholarly research. Peer reviewed. Thanks.