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The dissonance being displayed by Conservative supporters is impressive.
The PMO did not show terrible judgment in bringing in a convicted fraudster to work with the highest levels of government, they actually proved heroic by bringing in the RCMP to expose the crook.
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I don't neccessarily disagree, however the prime ministers office has called in investigations on multiple occassions in these influence peddling issues, If your going to be fair about it then some credit has to go to that.
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Being the first government in the history of Canada to be found in contempt of parliament doesn't reflect poorly on the the Harper government, it really just shows how obsessed the opposition parties are with gaining power (the government did nothing wrong).
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I've discussed this recently, but the whole thing came across as partisian gamesman ship in a lot of ways to me when the committee is made up of the people that are bascially charging you with it. If your going to do contempt of parliment proceedings then the process has to change to depoliticize it. Nice spelling
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Every government has probably done this, I look at the hedging that the Liberals did on the long gun registry. They were no where near forthcomign on the costs of that program. And I would have to go back but there were some serious problems on the IT upgrade programs under the Liberals as well. Every government has done it, its why the Canadian system to me is broken.
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I would expect that every government wants oversight on its employees before they run to the press. If your going to work for the government I think its normal that you have to clear things before going to the press.
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Appointing a public sector integrity commissioner who investigated a grand total of 7 (out of 228) complaints over three years (finding no wrong-doing) and blackmailed her own employees, and then dismissing her with a $500 000 pay off wasn't absurdly suspicious, it showed how the Harper government is able to step in and right the wrongs of government.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...ot-500k-payout
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Yeah that one I certainly didn't like, unfortunately she didn't do anything criminal, she was just incompetant, and as we know if your a boob at the upper level of government and your getting removed from your post your going to get paid.
It was the same situation with the RCMP appointed civilian commissioner who got terminated. I'm sure if we did some research you would see at least one or two per term that got bounced and got a massive parachute.
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Announcing budget details and then stating publicly that there would be no further negotiation doesn't mean that Harper's government is unwilling to work with other parties, it means that other parties are unwilling to work with the Conservatives and Canada needs a majority so that there will no longer be a need to compromise.
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/po...service=mobile
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I actually agreed with the Conservatives on that. Harper came out before the budget and did say that he was willing to talk to the opposition parties, and he clearly talked to Layton and put in what he could deliver. But there was no way that all of Layton's ideas were going into that budget. And I agree with the time to negoiate the budget is before not after. And I think that if people were fair, all parties need to take blame for the poison environment in Parliment.
Its not just Harper.
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I know that the Liberals were corrupt too, but that doesn't excuse the Conservatives. It would be one thing if Conservative supporters were demanding some changes from the party that ran on a transparency and accountability platform, but all I'm seeing are rationalizations (usually amounting to 'the other guys do it too').
I am sure that if the Liberals were behind these particular scandals, there would be Liberal supporters rationalizing every move too. What makes the Conservatives any better?
I really hope that we do not see a Conservative majority. If we do, we'll get five years with no oversight at all for a government that was corrupting the system from a minority position.
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Maybe I'm jaded, in that I expect scandals in every government and some level of crap in every government that it becomes degrees of crap.
Shawnigate and Adscam to me were incredible levels of corruption for example compared to what we're seeing from the Conservatives.
But I'm not basing my vote on the ethics issue anymore as I don't believe that ethics and civility exist anymore. I'm more voting on personal ideaology versus platform announcements.