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pylon · 03-04-2011, 04:23 PM

I really don't think the debate is about pro-life vs. pro-choice. As a lot of pro-choice people have already stated, even to them, sucking the brain out of and dismembering a nearly or already viable child is just too far. The only reason partial birth abortions are done the way they are, is because of a legal issue. According to the law, until the entire body of the baby, is fully exposed, or until the baby has taken a breath of air, they are still not considered a human being with rights. It is the abuse of a technicality in the worst possible way. I can see the lawyers drawing it up ,"Well, IF the head is still in the vagina, I guess it TECHNICALLY can't breath, and is still TECHNICALLY not born yet."

In my opinion, it would be more humane to just give birth to the thing, and peacefully euthanize it with drugs, as opposed to pulling it out backwards most of the way, ramming scissors into the base of its skull, wiggling them around, then vacuuming out its brain. Can you imagine how painful that must be?

This is a pretty educational video using a doll to explain and demonstrate the procedure. Take away the fact this guy has a religious agenda, and is preaching to what looks like a bible school. Just look at it for the technical details of how its done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_W75zh1j2I

If you killed a dog like that, you would go to jail, and lets not fool ourselves. A 6 or 7 month preemee can feel pain and it can cry. It has a nervous system, and it will react to stimuli. Sounds like a living being to me at that point.

This debate is about the method, and the timing of terminating the child, not if it is right or wrong IMHO. Because I believe both sides have valid points. It is comforting to know, that a lot have similar views as I do on this issue, and that you can say... "Yeah, I guess abortion is OK... up to a certain point."

03-04-2011, 04:23 PM	#80
pylon Lifetime Suspension Join Date: Jul 2007 Exp:	I really don't think the debate is about pro-life vs. pro-choice. As a lot of pro-choice people have already stated, even to them, sucking the brain out of and dismembering a nearly or already viable child is just too far. The only reason partial birth abortions are done the way they are, is because of a legal issue. According to the law, until the entire body of the baby, is fully exposed, or until the baby has taken a breath of air, they are still not considered a human being with rights. It is the abuse of a technicality in the worst possible way. I can see the lawyers drawing it up ,"Well, IF the head is still in the vagina, I guess it TECHNICALLY can't breath, and is still TECHNICALLY not born yet." In my opinion, it would be more humane to just give birth to the thing, and peacefully euthanize it with drugs, as opposed to pulling it out backwards most of the way, ramming scissors into the base of its skull, wiggling them around, then vacuuming out its brain. Can you imagine how painful that must be? This is a pretty educational video using a doll to explain and demonstrate the procedure. Take away the fact this guy has a religious agenda, and is preaching to what looks like a bible school. Just look at it for the technical details of how its done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_W75zh1j2I If you killed a dog like that, you would go to jail, and lets not fool ourselves. A 6 or 7 month preemee can feel pain and it can cry. It has a nervous system, and it will react to stimuli. Sounds like a living being to me at that point. This debate is about the method, and the timing of terminating the child, not if it is right or wrong IMHO. Because I believe both sides have valid points. It is comforting to know, that a lot have similar views as I do on this issue, and that you can say... "Yeah, I guess abortion is OK... up to a certain point."