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Originally Posted by pylon
After reading the article yesterday, I have given myself a crash course in late term abortions. And any sensible human being cannot see this as anything but killing a living being, period. I am sure, in a couple hundred years, this will be looked back upon as a barbaric, horrific, and primative act. I am sure by that time, reproduction will be a more predictable science to avoid these scenarios, but even taking scientific or religious implications out of it, this is nothing more than sugar coating the human equivelant of drowning unwanted kittens, or stomping the sick runt of a litter of piglets. The amount of failed abortions where the fetus is born alive is astonishing. And the way the situation is typically dealt with is equally so. Google is not your friend here.
The fact we have laws that protect his practice, is dumbfounding. I have a relative who is a hardcore pro-lifer. One of the sign holding activists. I always kept that conversation at a distance, as It was a debate I never wished to have with her, as I never really had a position. I gave her a call today, looking for some guidance. Not an opinion, just what was it that gave you that opinion? She forwarded me to some online "source material" of a late term somewhat botched procedure, and as a grown man of 36 years, I have no shame in admitting what I saw levelled me to tears, and that happens.... never. I witnessed a murder, not a medical procedure. Even if the agenda she delivered was somewhat stilted, there is too much evidence out there to deny the reality that what I saw was not an isolated scenario.
Yes, there are medical reasons, for some of these procedures. But many are nothing but self serving, lifestyle, me first decisions. In those instances, I truly believe that any woman considering this procedure, outside of a life or death scenario, must be forced to watch a video of the procedure that they delicately hide from your view under that sheet. And by forced, I mean, in a neutral location, controlled by a neutral panel. Words and symbols are randomly interspersed in the video, that have to be accurately written down, to assure the material is watched. You wanna do it, know what it is you are authorizing first. Confront it, own it, don't hide from the brutal reality of it. After what I saw, I know, I could never live with that on my conscious.
Would it result in some unwanted, handicapped, or mentally disabled children, yes of course. But that is still a better scenario than straight up killing. I cannot and will not be led to believe that the positioning of a head, in or out of a uterus, determines your rights as a human.
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I hear you Pylon, I've been debating entering into this discussion because I have pretty strong feelings about this.
Just a story first, my sister when she was pregnent was told by her doctor that there was a chance that she was going to have a Down's baby, the doctor kept talking about aborting the child and the quality of life for the child. Eventually my sister decided that they would have the baby and love it unconditionally no matter what. My nephew Malcolm was born 8 years ago, he was not a Down's baby, he's a brilliant slightly over active imaginative kid.
I get the neccesity of abortion, I get that the mothers life can be a risk, or it was a baby conceived through sexual assault or its an abnormal baby.
I have problems with abortion being a method for birth control, I really do, especially the stuff thats later term. I have trouble with the stories of woman who have had multiple abortions because they didn't want the baby or they made yet another mistake.
I get the debate about when a glob of cells is a fetus is a person, and I keep going back to the end point. The end point of that glob of cells is a human being, we all know this.
Not to pick on an earlier poster who mentioned the 22 week thing, but I had to look up fetal development at 22 weeks.
At 22 weeks the fetus is moving, its heart is beating its drawing food, its brain pathways are developing.
I think that in terms of birth control, there has to be a limit of the first trimester, if its developmental we should look at 2nd trimester. If its going to cause health issues for mothers, or something goes severally wrong with the baby then you can look at late terms.