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Originally Posted by sclitheroe
What resolution is Netflix streaming at that you need 9 gigs per movie?
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What Rathji said
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
Photon please.
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Please what? I'm sorry I don't have the exact same knowledge about everything that you do, I'm asking the questions I would need answered in order to make the decision.
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
The entire copper network that TELUS uses now, including switches, stingers, and everything used that conveys phone line and the base of their ADSL network was all built while they were a government enforced monopoly. Not to mention huge cash reserves.
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How can this possibly be correct? The only way for this to possibly be correct is for there to have been zero growth and zero change to the network since the point when it transitioned. I don't know much about the history, but Wikipedia says it was 1991, so unless things have been 100% static since 1991, "The entire copper network that TELUS uses now" cannot possibly be true. They use all or portions of that network, but they have obviously had to add to it to account for 20 years of growth, not to mention that the switches and stuff would have long been discarded for newer ones that could handle the capacity.
Also Wikipedia says Telus purchased the remaining ownership of AGT for $870 million. And it bought ED Tel for $465 million in 1995. So it purchased that infrastructure. If the sale wasn't good value, that's too bad, but how does that imply that Telus has an obligation to provide Internet at a specific price?
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
Shaw is the same, they laid their entire coax network under the same monopoly.
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More info? I can only find info that Shaw went public in 1983. The same issue about what the network looked like in 1983 and now applies, even moreso.
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
Yes, they had to make a lot of improvements and upgrades. But lets compare this to a guy who is gifted a car from his dad, and then puts a sweet stereo system in it and lowers the suspension. Same idea... it wouldn't be so easy for the neighbor kid who isn't being offered a free car to suddenly match what his buddy has.
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Hand waving arguments don't work, you say that's an apt analogy, I don't see anything to support that it is (other than that analogy supports your position, but how do I know you didn't choose it just because it does), or deny that it isn't, but I have to assume it isn't until shown it is.
Cisco CRS-1 or CRS-3 costs $90,000. How many of those would they currently need? A Cisco 10008 router like $200,000 empty, $50,000 for each line card. How much of this is left over from 20-30 years ago when they were public? How many have they had to add? How much of the 1983-1991 era copper/cable network is still in use?