[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Seeing as though I have yet to make a personal attack yet, please point out this personal attack for me, I hope it is not my posting that people (such as yourself) are using this attack by a deranged lunatic in order to get political points, by stating how the language used by the Republicans is akin to language used by Hitler.

That's one.

What I said:
The problem is the tone and passion of the right; the current government is dangerous and your country is changing in the same ways Hitler changed Germany and Mao changed China.

How you understood it;
You are comparing modern political posturing in the United States to what Hitler or Mao did

How I clarified:
You are completely mis-reading my post...
the right was using allusions to Hitler while attacking Obama.

What you continue to construe my point as;
This either shows your complete disregard for history and common sense, much like the people you rally against, or it shows that you will attempt to manipulate facts in order to make them fit your own views, and do I need to state who this reminds me of.

One of us is obviously lacking in reading comprehension, Azure thanking you suggests it may be me, but I don't know how I can be more clear.

But I consider this little rant to competely support my point;

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

The fact is modern political rhetoric is nothing like what Hitler did, there is no widespread calls to break windows of Democrats, there has been no burning of buildings in order to blame this on the Democrats, nor have their been any calls for Democrats to have themselves branded with a symbol or to have their property stolen and be unable to own land or practice professions... Hell there is absolutely no similarity between the two.
Hitler was nothing like what we currently see in North American politics, it is an insult to those who you compare to him and an insult to those who suffered under the Nazi party. Stupid, much like those who compare Obama to Hitler. Stupid.

That was really the point I was trying to make. Allusions to Obama being Hitler (I can provide plenty of examples) - in the same vein as some did to Bush - is dangerous and wrong.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

The fact you alluded to the Nazis in order to tell how awful the rhetoric is, shows that you are falling victim to rhetoric of your own and you are willfully and joyfully blind to it. You seem to revel in your own knowledge that you are superior to others who are less than you.

At least you're not getting personal.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Now I don't agree with a lot of the messages that the Tea Party and the like are promoting, but to blame this murder on them and people who use political rhetoric is really twisting the reality of the situation and doing an injustice to those who lost their lives.

I respectfully disagree, I percieve the injustice to be in telling the victim's families that this was a random isolated incident and the political discourse that she expressed fear of was inconsequential.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

How that language is similar in "tone and passion" to telling people to "take aim" at political ridings during a democratic election is beyond me.

I consistently minimalized the impact of metaphors, and emphasized the rotten historical references you are expanding upon.

Willfully or not, you are debating against the opposite of my point.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

It appears to me as though your agenda is to demonize the Republican Party in general over this tragedy..

Yet you are unable to expand on my agenda beyond it's lone tactic.

I do take the smear of "scoring political points" seriously, as that is exactly the tactic that Rush is using now, and it's toxic to debate.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

you refuse to look at any other options other than this was an assassination attempt which while not sponsored by the Republican Party was one which was triggered by the actions of the right wing.

That is a mis-representation of my statement, which was

Originally Posted by Gozer

I consider the political leanings of the shooter irrelevant, he was at the epicenter of political emotion in the country. This is not a once in a generation coincidence.

and you have been beating this drum for a few pages now;
Being willfully blind towards any new evidence doesn't make you right, if nothing else it makes you more biased than anyone else in this conversation. I fail to see how being ignorant is seen as a blessing.
Blind to new evidence /= dismissing irrelevant evidence

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I know we will disagree on that but there has been no personal attack to date and if you think that there has been one maybe you should grow a bit of a thicker skin, although I assume you will take that as a personal attack as well.

I'll put on a wetsuit next time.

I am annoyed at your pattern of posting in this thread because you are painting me as the bad guy without addressing my arguement, instead using accusations of ulterior motives to soil my right to make the argument.

Originally Posted by Gozer

The argument is not historic, that the left is always right.
The argument is not idealogical, that the right wing is more violent.
Those sentiments are NOT being offered.

What is being suggested is that one party finished an 8-year Presidency with an unmitigated disaster. Knowing the steep road back to political legitimacy, that same party is now endorsing a message of fear and hate from the fringe directed at an innately historic President in an effort to leave voters desolate and willing to latch on to whatever wave they ride in 2012.