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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
Your comments and concerns regarding home grown radicals corrupted in muslims schools, etc... are primarily driven by what you're looking for and are implicitly interested in observing. When you don't see what you want to see and don't really look for it, then the outrage self-perpetuates.
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In the absence of anything else one of the primary and growing stories over the last year is based around home grown terrorists. The Toronto 18, the New York attempts, the bombing in Sweden, even going back further, the London Subway Bombings all have the common thread that these people were indoctrinated in local mosques or schools. I would prefer that we don't see it, because frankly I don't get the fact that these middle class people who have been raised in countries that have protected and respected to an extent their religion feel the need to lash out.
We also heard very little in terms of real outrage or indignation from their own communities.
We've seen stories and anonymous interviews by members of these communities and even these mosques that they didn't interject because they were afraid of the backlash.
Its not something frankly that I want to see, its not that I'm ignoring the other side of the argument.
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The point about Prince is that a figure recruiting religiously like-minded zealots to go and wipe out people of other faiths is offensive and repugnant regardless of the side you sit on. But when the person is in a "muslim community" here in the west, they're home grown terrorists. When the person is a christian born in the US, we call him a CEO and an entrepreneur who moves to Dubai out of the blue (note the delicious irony on many levels).
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I don't like Blackwater at all, I would recommend the book Blackwater by Jeremy Scahill as a very good reference guide. However lets differentiate here, Blackwater isn't attacking their own country or their own fellow citizens so its not a valid comparison. If your arguing about Blackwater, your arguing about a out of control mercenary army with loose rules of engagement as opposed to a marauding christian army. But at the end of the day, look at the public reaction to Blackwater here and abroad.
If Blackwater was brain washing these mercenaries handing them a gun and a bible and sending them out into the U.S. public to slaughter the infidels then it would be a valid comparison.
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Therefore, it's no secret to me why one of these examples offends and draws thread upon thread, and the other doesn't. What I see over and over in these threads are examples of people who claim that "X isn't doing anything about situation Y" simply because what they want to see isn't falling into their lap, or they're not looking for the answer prior to engaging in their narrative. This was exemplified by your comment in the recent wikileaks thread saying "Call me when we see dissidents chaining themslelves to coal plants or crying over dead ducks in polluted lakes there or in russia call me"... to which HPLovecraft replied 12 minutes later with copious links. Did all those world events happen in the intervening 12 minutes? Or did you outrage first and ask questions later?
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Going back to the whole environmental issue, I still stand by what I said, Canada is getting assaulted in the environmental issues and maybe justifiably so, but China see's very little static.
I stand by the actions in Cancun where Canada rightfully said, why are we looking at Kyoto when the largest emitters in the world in China, India and the States have no interest in making effective changes, and that to me is the first time that anyone has really dropped the gauntlet on China.
Back to this topic, one of the things that moderated the catholic church was the reformation of the church driven by Martin Luthor. Islam is a more noncellular based religion, and its up to the masses to reform it and make it known that the radical members are not to be tolerated and you don't see a concerted push for that.
And yes that outrages me because I have friends that are Muslims and its embarrassing for them. but for a religion based around strength of person and strength of community and the defense of the faith, I'm not really seeing it.
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This thread is full of similar narratives, many of which can be easily debunked by the posters themselves if they simply sit back and examine what they're writing.
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And I'm sorry that you think an internet alias is a means to promote and/or project authority. I would have thought that people would realize internet aliases are about as meaningless as they come, CaptainCrunch.
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Oh no, I love breakfast serial and playing contact sports. Plus I'm a crusty former member of the military, so my name fits.