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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
I didn't read the whole post, becasue quite frankly it was really long and drawn out but I will answer these questions.
I know how I pronounce all of those words, which I belive is the way the vast majority of people pronounce them, and as far as I know they are pronouced the same in English as they are in their original language. I say them that way as those pronounciations have been adopted by the English language, and are for the most part accepted as the "correct" pronounciations. ex, ron-day-voo, coo-day-ta, or fa-he-ta. Most of them contain great examples of the many exceptions that we make in the English language when it comes to adopted words.
That however does not mean that all adopted words have to have exceptions and be pronouced as they are in their original language.
Table is one example where a word is the same in both langauges, means the same thing, and is pronouced differently.
I'd argue, that Bruschetta has also become one of those words.
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Did anyone ever say they did? I certainly didn't.
The key is that there is an exception for some words. For others we didn't adhere to the proper native way it is said. That means that we say it incorrectly. That doesn't make it not allowed or not accepted. But it certainly doesn't make bruschetta with a shh right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfo...yperforeignism
In that wiki article it states that there was a mistake when we tried to anglicize bruschetta because people got the sch wrong based on their german interpretation of the word.
Once again, I never said anyone has to say bruschetta the "proper" way. However, I think a proper way does exist. And that is totally different from an accepted way.
This all came about because some people have a problem admitting we basterdized a word from another language.
As long as we all agree that the word, like so many others, has been basterdized then there is no debate.
In all the posts I've made I never said you should say it the right way. I just said don't pretend that the accepted way = the right way.
As you admitted and we all do, we frequently make exceptions for foreign words. In this case due to an error no exception or special case occurred and now pretty much everyone says it wrong.
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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
And as for why people are "attacking" you (mostly calling you douchy), it's becasue when someone insists that they are in the minority that does anything correctly, and that just about everyone else is wrong on something (especially something as subjective as the pronounciation of a word), then most people would agree that that's kinda douchy.
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Is it really that hard for most people to admit that they aren't perfect and that maybe they've been saying a word wrong? I never said it should change, or that people need to stop getting it wrong or that anyone who does is an idiot. I just pointed out that pretty much everyone says it wrong.
You'd think it would be consolation that 90% of english speaking people make a similar mistake. As I've said numerous times I'm sure I get some foreign words wrong and clearly from this thread lots of people get lots of English words and phrases wrong. I didn't see anyone else slinging insults because they use could of instead of could have or could care less instead of couldn't care less.
Is it some sort of NA arrogance that we can't admit that maybe we aren't perfect in everything we do or say? Are we afraid of becoming more cultured? Hell, I've never been off the continent so I'm hardly cultured. If I found out that I'd been saying borscht wrong all this time (which I'm pretty sure I have) I wouldn't get insulted and tell the guy he's a dick. I might not even stop saying it the way that I do if it is easier and accepted. I would find it interesting to know though.