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Originally Posted by Jake
That is definatly do-able.
Car dealerships and salesmen deserve their reputation. Never pay MSRP.
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Thats such a dick attitude. For the better part, most of the guys I know in this industry are stand up guys just trying to make a decent living. Car dealerships, dollar for dollar, turn a very meager overall profit. In a lot of business models, the return on investment would be considered unviable.
Oh no!! They are a business trying to make a profit! They must be evil. How about we go by the communist model, and everyone drives one model of government manufactured car, in one trim level. And you get to buy one when your number comes up.
Everyone complains about fees, and labour rates. If you had the
slightest clue of how the industry works you may be a bit more sympathetic to the dealer, and understand why these things exist. A manufacturer, can, and will walk into your building and say. You have to do a 3 million dollar rennovation, to bring you up to the current brand standards, and it has to be done by the end of next year, or we have someone else in line who will take the franchise off your hands and you must comply. We are not talking about a cell phone kiosk here, we are talking about 30,000 square foot buildings and fascias. I have seen it twice in ten years with my current brand. Do you think the sales guys want to battle back and forth with you for a deal? They are typically under the command of their manager making them "go get more money". A lot of those guys don't know anything else, and it is the only way they have a chance to make a somewhat decent living.
In the past, the dealers deserved most of the scorn. Nowadays however, most business owners would simply close shop of they were so heavily regulated and had such an intrusive watchdog looking over them at evey turn. I can understand how dealers in some parts of the US and Canada still carry the reputation, but buying a car at a dealership in Alberta is one of the safest transactions you can make in this province. Can a Furnace installer be threatened with prosecution if he does not disclose a fee to you on a bill of sale? No but I can. Can a Future shop salesman be fired by a third party orginization for overcharging you for a Laptop when you didn't see the sale price, and have to pay the difference
personally out of his own pocket, nope, but if I did that with a disclosable rebate on a car I would.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. If I lied, and cheated, to any single one of my customers, as much as I am lied to and cheated on a DAILY basis, by people that sit in my office. I would be in jail. I had one guy that lied to me on credit applications about his income, had his car repo'd and then turned around and claimed the application wasn't valid, and I botched the numbers to get them approved. A blatant lie. Try explaining that bs to one of your top lenders. At least once a month I get someone trying to slip a rebuilt write-off under our nose as clean registration. People play the " 'x' dealer said they would sell it for 'y' price. " When it is obvious they are lying. Do people not think the dealers talk. It's a very small community, and contrary to popular belief, the dealers typically get along with each other. A lot of times the sales manager is on the phone with that other dealer calling your bluff.
It goes both way folks.