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I didn't want to change it to superior, it was just the word I happened to use at the beginning and you were objecting to what I was saying but didn't seem to be objecting to what I was meaning.
In this context superior and correct are synonymous.
So back to what started that, out of the billions and billions of people, an individual thinks their choice is the correct one and the others are incorrect. What makes them so special that they're right?
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I'm pretty sure that my answer won't be satisfactory to you, but it's not so much as being so special that they're right but rather that others are led astray and deceived.
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I didn't leave out any piece. I have a universal negative consequence for not choosing (disease = separation from god), and I have the choice (accept the injection = accept salvation from Jesus).
But I'll discard the analogy then, and ask a few questions.
First, if you were in the garden, would you have chosen to eat the apple? Would every human have chosen to eat the apple? Or would some humans have chosen and some not have?
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I'm not re-writing history. I can't respond to this question.
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What about the global flood then?  |
What about it?
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Why not debate it?
Or why is it even an issue, more Christians than not accept evolution as fact.
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Because honestly I'm having trouble finding enough time to debate this topic alone, I don't have enough time to debate something else too. I've known Christians that accept evolution and I just disagree with them.
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I'm given a choice to be restored to god, but that the restoration has to happen at all isn't something of my doing, and if I don't choose it I'm damned. That's not free will that's coercion. God is making robots because those that don't choose what he wants them to choose results in their destruction.
Is there free will in heaven? If so, can I sin in heaven?
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By not making a choice you are making a choice. I believe there is free will in heaven. Clearly you can sin in heaven but there is a consequence to that sin (fallen angels). I can't honestly say why someone would sin in heaven because being in the presence of God will be more amazing that can even be imagined.
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As I said twice, I'm not saying someone follows god based on experiences, I'm saying that they're already following god by faith, and then change their minds because the promises and things described in the Bible don't actually come to pass.
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I don't get nor understand that.
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And actually you are incorrect too, not everyone is required to have a large element of faith. Paul got knocked off his horse and blinded, not a lot of faith required there. John is filled with miracles that Jesus performs simply to show the people he is who he claimed to be. Some people get special treatment, others do not and get damned as a result? Hardly seems just.
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Jesus was proving who he was at that time as there were people who were waiting for the Messiah and he was showing that he was the Messiah. Still there was some element of faith that these people needed, after all not everyone believed Jesus was the Messiah.
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Sure! If it's something I haven't read or seen before, we could even do something where I'd read it and give my feedback, and you could read something I bring and you give your feedback.
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Sure, but as I mentioned above I don't have a lot of time on my hands
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Honestly, it's because your answers are in fact a circle. You have faith that your beliefs are right. Your beliefs are right because you have faith they are.
It feels right, but in the end it's flawed reasoning.
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Actually no, it's more that I feel I keep answering the same questions over and over.