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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
Yes I believe my choice is correct. I've already said that, I don't know why you want to change it to superior.
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I didn't want to change it to superior, it was just the word I happened to use at the beginning and you were objecting to what I was saying but didn't seem to be objecting to what I was meaning.
In this context superior and correct are synonymous.
So back to what started that, out of the billions and billions of people, an individual thinks their choice is the correct one and the others are incorrect. What makes them so special that they're right?
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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
Again this goes back to my belief of the beginning when God created man and man chose to eat of the apple that he was instructed not to. Thereafter this decision creates a seperation between man and God for all future generations. When Jesus died this was to bridge that gap to make it easier to restore with God. When I say I believe the bible I mean I believe the bible, which is why I disagree with your scenarios because they are leaving out that piece.
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I didn't leave out any piece. I have a universal negative consequence for not choosing (disease = separation from god), and I have the choice (accept the injection = accept salvation from Jesus).
But I'll discard the analogy then, and ask a few questions.
First, if you were in the garden, would you have chosen to eat the apple? Would every human have chosen to eat the apple? Or would some humans have chosen and some not have?
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Granted I know there are a lot of people that don't believe in that (I'm not going to debate creationism vs evolution either).
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What about the global flood then?
Why not debate it?
Or why is it even an issue, more Christians than not accept evolution as fact.
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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
If you are then given a choice to be restored to God and choose not to accept it than it is your free will that has prevailed because God chose not to make us all robots.
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I'm given a choice to be restored to god, but that the restoration has to happen at all isn't something of my doing, and if I don't choose it I'm damned. That's not free will that's coercion. God is making robots because those that don't choose what he wants them to choose results in their destruction.
Is there free will in heaven? If so, can I sin in heaven?
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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
This isn't about making decisions based on experiences because the experiences are great but should not be the reason a person makes a choice to follow God (because really this just amounts to testing God). There is a large element of faith that is needed.
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As I said twice, I'm not saying someone follows god based on experiences, I'm saying that they're already following god by faith, and then change their minds because the promises and things described in the Bible don't actually come to pass.
And actually you are incorrect too, not everyone is required to have a large element of faith. Paul got knocked off his horse and blinded, not a lot of faith required there. John is filled with miracles that Jesus performs simply to show the people he is who he claimed to be. Some people get special treatment, others do not and get damned as a result? Hardly seems just.
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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
Okay, and I have defended my belief.
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You have and I appreciate that, you've been reasonable and patient.
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I said don't have the information off the top of my head but I have heard proof of the validation of the source material for the bible. If I can find it I'll let you know. This isn't something I was taught in church.
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Sure! If it's something I haven't read or seen before, we could even do something where I'd read it and give my feedback, and you could read something I bring and you give your feedback.
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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
Why do I feel like I keep going in a circle with my answers.
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Honestly, it's because your answers are in fact a circle. You have faith that your beliefs are right. Your beliefs are right because you have faith they are.
It feels right, but in the end it's flawed reasoning.