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Originally Posted by photon
Yes I know peter12, you've said similar things before and I've tried to engage you on it and find out more and discuss it.. but I'm tired of being told that more would be coming on a topic and not seeing it, or having asked questions ignored, or having entire threads of conversations just abandoned. It's very frustrating to be told how bad something is, how wrong it is, how dumb someone is, but have every attempt at understanding end up at a dead end with no understanding.
So forgive me if I choose to not engage.
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It's sort of frustrating for me too, because frankly, I can't be expected to hold a graduate seminar everytime I want to engage on this issue. I've provide reasonable arguments, with definable terms and principles, for just about everything that I say. I add links, I talk about authors, so what if I don't link to studies? That is the point I am trying to make, that there is a much larger human world that exists beyond the bland and falsifiable data of the scientific world. That is what all educated skeptics of scientism and the new atheism are trying to say. You don't think it frustrates us to come up against people who have absolutely no desire to expand what they already know?
When I say something is "ideological" I mean something specifically. I can link to more intelligent people than I once again to clarify my point, but people don't like being told that they need to spend some more time figuring things out. That truth doesn't always come neatly packaged in the tidy wrapping of the scientific journal.
When I say "Harris is dumb" I make it very clear that in "biblical terms," he does not know what he does. He's an innocent making some very serious claims for the path of humanity. Namely, the idea that technology and science need to start making more and more moral/political decisions for each and everyone of us. The typical response is something cliched like "well, he's top of the bestseller list so what do you know."