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Originally Posted by HOZ

Boy that was one one-sided affair and very poorly done. Defending Al Sharpton the creator of race baiting? That is beyond the pale.

The creator of race baiting? Race baiting was around long before Al Sharpton was born. Swoosh. Swing and a miss. Strike one.

MLK part seems to be a debate on context, not race. Considering that Beck had MLK relatives at his rally I would lean towards Beck's interpretation. Then the guy misquotes the Bible...

Two points that should be handled separately.

1. The inclusion of MLK's family at the Beck Rally

So if someone has condemned that group, and then trots out members of that same group at a rally, that someone doesn't really have a problem with that particular group? To use a historical example, and not require the evocation of Godwin's Law, when Hitler has Jews and intellectuals at the Nuremberg rally he was really supporting their cause? Singular events do not support correlations.

2. The misquoting of the bible

Which version of the bible? There are numerous versions of the bible available for study, all of them with different texts and words used freely. For example we can look at the last biblical passage used, it is much easier for a camel, and look at the nuances of the different translations and printings.

Give me a camel

Swoosh. Swing and miss on both accounts. Strike two.

After that it was just Bible studies and misquoting Beck and somehow trying to show, that Beck trying to show Obama is a socialist, is race baiting.

You are correct on that account. This is not race baiting. When Beck called the President a racist on national television, that was race baiting. This was nothing more than trying to perpetuate a media developed myth that Obama is a socialist. This could be considered social class baiting, but not race baiting.

I would suspect that this HOZ fellow would know this. Having read his posts for a while and noting his ability to bait people into arguments I think it is safe to say that on this site he's at the top of the list of master baiters. Even though Beck is recognized as a master baiter I have a feeling that HOZ could give him some stiff competition in trying and tug the title away from his grasp.

Lets pretend that THE YOUNG TURKS commentator didn't take those quotes out of context or twist them....


When have they incited violence?

I-580 Shooter

"Williams was pulled over on his way to San Francisco to shoot members the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California and Tides, an organization that advocates progressive social change through philanthropy, police said Tuesday."

I-580 Shooter discloses sources of his delusions

He tried to deny any link to the likes of Beck but fails in his own defense.

"When asked if it hadn’t been for Glenn Beck and Fox News, whether he still would have planned violence, Williams said that it was because Fox News didn’t do enough to pursue the political left that he became frustrated and felt like violence was the only answer."

"He cited Alex Jones’ InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, the conspiracy Web site, AboveTopSecret.com, DavidIcke.com, JerimiahProject.com, ModernHistoryProject.org, DiscoverTheNetworks.org, as well as Glenn Beck’s Web site."

Plane crashes into IRS building

Joe Stack was a tea party member and subscribed to the anti-government rhetoric so entrenched in the language used daily by Beck and Limbaugh.

Militia plots against government

Extreme rhetoric played a part in this group's delusions and desires to start a war against the government.

Census worker killed and hung from tree

This just happens to align with comments made by Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.) about the census. Red State's Erick Erickson, who is a pundit on CNN, also stated he would shoot census workers if they approached his property. So what happens? A man outside of Austin does the same.

Bachmann also has made insane comments about re-education camps and slitting of wrists in protest over health care reform. All of this is non-sensical ramblings of someone not in touch with the real world.

There is little doubt that inflammatory rhetoric on the right end of the political and media has spiked greatly in the past couple of years. From Sarah Palin and her reload metaphors to Sharon Angle claiming 2nd Amendment remedies the language has been ramped up. Sady, it is having affect. The NRA maintains a site fanning fear about gun ownership keeping membership in that lobby on the edge of reason. The Southern Poverty Law Center, who track home grown terror and hate activity have indicated right wing extremism and radicalism is at its highest levels since the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVey and his militia connections. Time magazine recently completed an expose on Secret Militias and the impact they are having and where the inspiration for their paranoia is coming from. The words that come from the mouths of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle and so on have influence and repercussions.

So yes, the likes of Beck and Limbaugh have incited violence and the evidence is there to support this claim. It is getting worse and not better as the rhetoric continues to become more and more inflammatory.

So, swoosh! A third swing and a miss. I think you're out.