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Originally Posted by Dagger

Lol. Don't fool yourself, you're know knocking NESV for not buying a WS title throwing close to half a billion dollars at players in one off season.

They offered a ton of cash, and they decided that there was a point where they were going to cut themselves off at. I don't see what's wrong with that, especially considering they had Kevin Youkillis at 1B. Maybe if they were like the Yanks and without a good player at 1B they would have thrown a blank cheque at him, but they made a huge offer trying to upgrade a position that was already occupied by one of the 5 best 1B.

Oh and just so you know Youkillis' WAR(wins above replacement value - basically an average player) was 5.9 in 09 and 4.2 last year, Teixiera's was 5.4 and then 3.5. Youkillis', better walk%, wOBA(weighted on base%), BAPIP(batting average on balls in play), while having a better UZR and UZR/150(ultimate zone rating).

So, that shows you that NESV did the right thing by not offering Teix more, because they have the better player and they have him for 8 million les per year(almost half off Teix) and for half the length.



They were different summers. As well, the Yanks rotation wasn't exactly great seeing guys like an old Pettite, Chien Ming Wang, a very young Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Mike Mussina. That's not a very good rotation to throw out there if you plan on winning a world series.

The Sox meanwhile had Beckett, Dice-K(who everyone thought would be excellent), 2 young guys who looked far more promising than Kennedy or Hughes in Bucholz and Lester, and then Brad Penny and Wakefield at the 5 spot.

The question becomes, do you need to spend 160m on a pitcher when you already have one of the best rotations in the majors?

You're comparing Lackey to Sabathia, when you should be comparing Lackey to Burnett, and looking at the stats Lackey has him beat in WAR, xFIP, FIP, much better HR/FB%, GB%(more balls on the ground means less HRs), he gave up less HR/9, and less B/9. Burnett had him beat only in K and K/9.

They both costed the exact same, one just had much better sabremetrics across his career prior to the contract, and continued it after.

So, you keep saying that NESV is cheap and should throw money at any decent player, but the reality is they do there research, determine the value and make an offer. It's yielded 2 titles in 6 years, compared to the Yankees 1.

And upon looking at payrolls they're 4th in the majors, BUT the difference between 2nd and them isn't even 400K. So, we can firmly say that they spend money, they keep the team in healthy financial territory, and they're not handing out money at the player du-jour for the heck of it.

All those supposed great deals that they got sure helped them finish a distant third in their own division, but I guess they can pat themselves on their backs for the good deals they got and how much money they managed to make and not spend back into the club.

I am sure Liverpool fans will be more than happy finishing out of the top 4 so long as the players they have are all on good deals.

Especially when you consider the amount of money that the Red Sox have compared to everyone not named the Yankees.

Its great that Youkilis put up all those awesome numbers. I think the Yankees are more than happy with the guy who actually helped his team to win games in the play-offs and won a World Series ring.

The Sabathia-lackey deals were in different years but it isn't like the Red SOx only have so much money to spend in one off-season. It shows that they are not willing to spend the money needed to win and happy to throw money away on second tier guys when it is top guys like Sabathia, Lee etc. that actually win you games.