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Originally Posted by moon

Overpaid? He lead them to a World Series championship. I think any team in the league would overpay for that.

The Sox had more than enough money to pay him but instead they hummed and hawed and Teixiera got tired of it and went with the Yankees offer because they don't nickle and dime guys when it gets to that point.

Lol. Don't fool yourself, you're know knocking NESV for not buying a WS title throwing close to half a billion dollars at players in one off season.

They offered a ton of cash, and they decided that there was a point where they were going to cut themselves off at. I don't see what's wrong with that, especially considering they had Kevin Youkillis at 1B. Maybe if they were like the Yanks and without a good player at 1B they would have thrown a blank cheque at him, but they made a huge offer trying to upgrade a position that was already occupied by one of the 5 best 1B.

Oh and just so you know Youkillis' WAR(wins above replacement value - basically an average player) was 5.9 in 09 and 4.2 last year, Teixiera's was 5.4 and then 3.5. Youkillis', better walk%, wOBA(weighted on base%), BAPIP(batting average on balls in play), while having a better UZR and UZR/150(ultimate zone rating).

So, that shows you that NESV did the right thing by not offering Teix more, because they have the better player and they have him for 8 million les per year(almost half off Teix) and for half the length.

A perfect example of them being cheap again. They could have gone out and got a guy like CC and instead they go the cheap route and are left with a second tier guy like Lackey making way too much with too few results.


Their youth isn't any more impressive than the Yankees and sure hasn't done much when it comes to producing wins. You shouldn't have to spend money to find guys like Ellsbury and Lowrie. Lester and Buckholz have been good at times but inconsistent, not exactly the type of guys that make up for the numerous misses they have had by being cheap in FA.

They were different summers. As well, the Yanks rotation wasn't exactly great seeing guys like an old Pettite, Chien Ming Wang, a very young Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Mike Mussina. That's not a very good rotation to throw out there if you plan on winning a world series.

The Sox meanwhile had Beckett, Dice-K(who everyone thought would be excellent), 2 young guys who looked far more promising than Kennedy or Hughes in Bucholz and Lester, and then Brad Penny and Wakefield at the 5 spot.

The question becomes, do you need to spend 160m on a pitcher when you already have one of the best rotations in the majors?

You're comparing Lackey to Sabathia, when you should be comparing Lackey to Burnett, and looking at the stats Lackey has him beat in WAR, xFIP, FIP, much better HR/FB%, GB%(more balls on the ground means less HRs), he gave up less HR/9, and less B/9. Burnett had him beat only in K and K/9.

They both costed the exact same, one just had much better sabremetrics across his career prior to the contract, and continued it after.

So, you keep saying that NESV is cheap and should throw money at any decent player, but the reality is they do there research, determine the value and make an offer. It's yielded 2 titles in 6 years, compared to the Yankees 1.

And upon looking at payrolls they're 4th in the majors, BUT the difference between 2nd and them isn't even 400K. So, we can firmly say that they spend money, they keep the team in healthy financial territory, and they're not handing out money at the player du-jour for the heck of it.

They are certainly not bad but they are lightyears behind teams like Hendricks and Gibbs and really have no shot at winning the championship unless they get a ton of luck.

Decent yes, but hardly very successful.

Alright, fair enough I don't watch NASCAR, but the main thing to me is that they look to be a very healthy team financially and they're in one of the top tiers for teams.

Fine with me.