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Old 10-21-2010, 07:12 PM   #77
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Originally Posted by Ironhorse View Post
And likewise, I have seen my share of ######s and dog humpers promoted ahead of bright talent and hard workers, based on the fact that they had union seniority...
As I stated, that's not the way all unions work. Mine certainly doesn't. I agree, promotion based on seniority rather than productivity is wrong...

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A couple of my very pro-union co-workers asked me why I didn't like the union, like they did. I replied "Because I'm a good enough worker that I don't need a union to keep my job for me."
As stated, I know some very good workers that were fired... there is no guarantee that being a good worker keeps your job. Hell, my cousin was selling shoes at one franchise outlet and was getting phone calls at home from the manager who would complain about her (the manger's) boyfriend and ask my cousin for advice. My cousin decided to get out of this bad situation and transfer to another franchise outlet elsewhere in the city. Before her first shift the new manager called her and said not to bother reporting. Off the record, he said the other manager had blacklisted her and the new manager had to maintain a working relationship with the previous manager. It didn't matter how good of a worker she was, she was out a job. Sure she could have lodged a complaint, but she didn't think a job selling shoes was worth fighting for. You can claim that in a non-unionized shop there are not abuses of power by management and the profit motive means that good workers will be kept and bad workers will be fired. But there are other, personal motives in play.

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But in a union, it's the RULE. Seniority over anything else. Skill? Ability?
You state that like it is all unions. Like I said, not my union and not in many unions. Like I said above, seniority based promotions is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS View Post
DA, you do know that if a company is found guilty of not investigating a harassment claim, they can be found liable and forced to pay some major damages.
As was the case I alluded to, many times women don't want to fight sexual harassment. Only 40% of women that are sexually harassed ever file a complaint. Most do not because they fear reprisal for complaining. According to the Reid Report, 50% of women believe that reporting sexual harassment will cause them more problems than not reporting. Some fear retaliation from either the employer or harasser. If they need to go to court, the action is slow, stressful and expensive. Someone just out of university fresh to the work force doesn't know what steps they have to follow to fight sexual harassment and most will just find alternate employment, even if it means going someplace that pays less.
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