The security council...15 countries that make it up....are the ones that didnt vote to support the action. That included Russia....the ones who supplied Hussein with planes, weaponry of all kinds, as well were purchasing oil, and had many a contract with Hussein to keep the oil flowing that they could. This isnt a guess on my part, its plain and simple fact. Germany, whom also were skirting the oil for food program and France the country that was also selling weaponry along with buying oil. They all voted against the action. Others on the Security council actually voted FOR it, so dont be sounding like it was some unanimous decision from the international community...it wasnt.
Bottom line is the UN did NOT back the United States in this intervention. Get over it already. Its done. All the "international conspiracy theories" you want to dream up are not going to change the fact that the international community did not believe the evidence presented was reason to invade. Hell, the US military did not believe the intelligence and were against a movement into Iraq. They were for containment and saw Hussein and Iraq as no threat to anyone in the region, including his own people.
Face it, the US went in on their own accord, against the wishes of the military and lead by the Pentagon civilian group, and have looked like warmongering fools ever since. Everything Bush wanted to achieve in regards to terrorism after 9/11 he has washed away with the action of going into Iraq. He has lost world sympathy. He has lost world support. He has failed to stem the flow of support to the terrorist movement. He has INCREASED the numbers of Arabs volunteering to join the fight. Just admit that this was the dumbest move possible by Bush and has blown up in his face big time. The world is not a safer place, as Bush likes to say. The action in Iraq has made it a lot more dangerous as more and more scores are now to be evened by the Arabs.
No, the last resolution occurred in 1998 when Hussein booted the weapons inspectors OUT of the country. When he refused to ALLOW searches. Its in those books you read somewhere...have a look. Powell talked to the UN...so did Bush.
Hussein allowed weapons inspectors back into the country after the last resolution was passed, so don't make it sound like Iraq was completely non-compliant. The weapons inspection teams were all saying that they wanted more access, but they were satisfied with the way things were going and felt progress was being made. The fact of the matter is that nothing had been found in almost a decade of searching. It took Bush lying about "mobile chemical weapons factories" to scare congress and the UN into even listening to the bullsh*t evidence they wanted to present. Good lord man, even the Whitehouse is now admitting they screwed the pooch and presented bad intelligence. When are you just going to acceot the fact that everyone with a brain saw through this garbage and didn't believe it. Move on already. Even the administration is trying to distance themselves from the intel you are trying to use as proof of a smoking gun.
So you want them to go into Sudan...but not Iraq? Wow, nice double standard there my friend...unfortunately it blows your entire argument to smithereens.
Uh no, I don't want the US to go into Sudan. I want the US to stay the hell out other countries business, unless called upon by the United Nations. My point is that if the US is hell bent on removing bloodthirsty dictators, like you say they are, then should they not also be in Sudan removing a maniacal dictator who IS killing his people RIGHT NOW. It has nothing to do with me having a double standard, its me pointing out how bad the US' double standard is. If it were up to me the US would have an isolationist foreign policy and respond only to requests directly from the UN. No double standard there. Just a simple process that takes the responsibility off the shoulders of the United States and places it directly on the shoulders of the International Community as a whole. That is called covering your ass and transfering accountability to a shared body. If someone wants to get p*ssed off about an intervention they then have to blame the whole world rather than one nation.
What freaking containment Lanny??? They were BOOTED OUT of Iraq in 1998. WTF are you talking about. Where exactly was the military presence of the US in the middle east to contain him again? Geezuz...now your making stuff up.
What containment? How about the containment that the US and British forces had provided for a decade? Retired CENTOM commander, Gen. Anthony Zinni, outlined exactly how containment worked when he appeared before a congressional committee on the matter. He outlined how US forces had developed a coalition of forces in the Gulf and were sharing responsibility with local governments and forces. The US had personnel on bases in six different countries prior to the invasion of Iraq. There was an understanding and good will between the Arabs and the Americans. Hussein was a threat to no one in the region let alone a threat to the United States. Or are you saying that the commander of CENTCOM at the time was lying? Seems like YOU are the one making sh*t up my friend.
And exactly WHAT inspections " were more than enough to weed out any WMDs"?? There were NONE going on UNTIL the threat of invasion from the US ya twit. Good grief....read your books again.
There were none were there? Who is making sh*t up again? Maybe you should do some reading. Try a book, a web site, the Sunday funnies, one of your coloring books, I personally don't care what you read, but try getting somewhat informed before jousting. Its embarassing. Blix had inspection teams right up until the US went into Iraq. You don't remember how the inspection teams were warned to get out of Iraq a couple weeks before the invasion, and then the fear that the Iraqis may hold the inspection teams as hostages to prevent an attack? If you want I'm pretty sure I can find an article that supports the FACT that inspectors WERE in Iraq in early 2003, just prior to the invasion. In fact I'm pretty sure that there was a big stink raised by Bush over an empty warhead found in Iraq at the time and he used that as a lobby mechanism. Or would that be making stuffup on my part?
ive dodged nothing. Nothing. You on the other hand have YET to answer for that David Kay latter i posted weeks ago as to the existance of WMD in Iraq. You know, the guy that was head inspector in Iraq FOR the UN?
Head of UN Weapons inspections? Uh, that was Hans Blix. David Kay was an inspector. Don't be padding his resume too much (nee making sh*t up) there Tranny. And Kay's testimony was hardly major news. He repeated what inspectors had been saying for years. That there were facilities and plans, but no sign of WMDs themself. He believed more inspection was needed. That's basically what he said to congress. To me, the most damning aspect of Kay's testimony was that there was a procurement network that allowed the technology to develop programs like Iraqs. Unfortunately Kay did not say where that network began (THAT would have been interesting to know).
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