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Old 10-17-2010, 04:47 PM   #8
PyramidsofMars
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS View Post
I think the largest problem in this regard is women's rights - certain cultures are bringing their own ideas of how to handle women to this country.
I find the frequency of this point being brought up a little silly. Yes, we need to address the problem of how South Asian cultures view women.

But we also need to understand that it is a fantasy we feed ourselves that women are really thought of all that well by regular North American folk. How many rapes do we deal with in Canada again? Aren't these rapes often perpetrated not by foreigners but by regular white guys or fully assimilated non-whites? We can look at income disparity and say it's not that bad, but what about sexual harrassment and emotional and mental abuse of women?

We have the state structures and laws that are needed to assure us of certain key women's rights. But how that's played out in actuality is a vastly different matter, and I think people use 'other cultures' as a way of ignoring the HUGE gender problems in their own culture.

And have you noticed that if a white guy kills his a woman in his life because she cheated on him or did something to disturb him, or if a white guy beats his daughter for getting pregnant, or similar things which happen not infrequently, it's a 'horrible crime.'

But if an immigrant Muslim does the same thing it's an 'honour killing,' cuz we love labels, don't we? And we should stop letting the immigrants come to our country with their misogyny.

And in what respect was the white guy killing this woman in his life really different from the Muslim doing the same thing? Their presented reasons for doing it may be different, but it's really about giving the bitch 'what she deserves,' isn't it?

A lot of men, a LOT of men, hate women. I mean, literally if you walk out on the street and look at three men, chances are two of them are at the very least potential rapists.

Bringing women's rights into immigration debates is valid to an extent, but to me seems largely a manner of excusing 'Canadian culture''s own horrific misogyny, and making ourselves feel all better.

Because the one guy is just white trash, we got nothing to do with that, but man, dem Muslims with their stone age tribal customs...

And you know, as if domestic abuse isn't a major problem in households regardless of ethnicity.
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