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browna · 10-04-2010, 01:09 AM

As far as I'm concerned, any candidate who says a new SW ring road is not necessary, short term or long term, is out to lunch.

Decades of city planning and studies have proved that (and shot down the 14st Theory). If the "First Nations" weren't scared by some in the reserve (which didn't include the Chief) on that last weekend before the vote, that the white man was trading them modern day disease infected blankets in the form of land title swaps (which weren't secured yet was the issue...obviously as the province didn't own all that land at that exact second) and dump trucks full of cash for each band member, for thier valuable Buffalo meat (in the modern day form of land access to build a road) the project would be well on its way and that much closer to a much more efficient traffic management in this city and I don't think there'd be too many people complaining.

I live in Lakeview, and used to live in deep south when I went to U of C just over a decade ago. A car is stalled in the right lane at 14st and Glenmore? Gawkers force cars backing up to Curry Barracks, and that was a decade ago...now the lineup starts just past 17th SW just based on volume, never mind an accident on that single solitary road to get from the West Central SW and further south to the Central SW.

Far far far too many bottlenecks to say that 14st is the solution. Even if you widen it from Southland or even knock out homes and make it Anderson, you still have only two lanes crossing over the flyover onto Glenmore. You have one lane off ramp then from MacLeod South on to Anderson West to get to 14st. You have to build an interchange at MacLeod and 14st. Probably one at Anderson and Elbow too, and at Anderson and 24st to stop the traffic from backing up before it gets to the widened (but bottlenecked in the end at Glenmore) 14st.

Nevermind the daily delays it will take as all that widening and interchanges get built on those current, and currently over capacity roads like 14st, having to build detours like the did on the Glenmore widening/Elbow underpass from 2003-2008 so that at least some traffic can continue to flow. Instead, a new road gets built, affecting virtually nothing other then the widening of Glenmore trail between Sarcee and Crowchild, where the space is there were disruption is minimal. The main section from Glenmore south along 37st can be done as fast as they can roll out pavement, put up a bridge and put up new interchanges where there is nothing but brushland now south of the Weasalhead, not worrying about rerouting anything.

The plan to have Glenmore widened past Crowchild to 3 lanes both ways has been ready to go for 6 years, and the widening up to Crowchild as of last year proves any doubt about that. Land is there and so are the detailed plans, as I saw at an open house just after we moved here. The holdup was getting the reserve ring road deal done. So, Glenmore and the interchanges at Crowchild and the plan at 37 st, are ready to handle the extra traffic coming too and from downtown (and obviously from the Sarcee Trail side), far more ahead then even the silly stop gap notion of widening 14st.

Make it 37st. Get it done. Don't bother cowering to the First Nations and make the access to their Casino as difficult as possible (I would say make the First Nations build their own road from the south). Ensure no access to Lakeview from 37st to prevent cutting through, and make sure Lakeview residents have the proper sound walls and are able keep priority access to North Glenmore park. Do it as enviromentally "quiet" as possible over that part of the Weaslhead and resovior. Make sure the interchanges along the way connect properly/future proofed...at Anderson, 90th, Southland, James McKevitt, as you extend 37 st south to 22x past James McKevitt.

As Lakeview residents, will suck, especially those on the west side...some of the greatest views of the mountains from some of those homes with nothing across from them on 37st. But this has to be done, inexcusible that the access to downtown and the west side of the city, for those that live even in the central sw like Oakridge, Palliser, and places south, have to rely on one single road Glenmore being accident free, or else a 30 minute commute to downtown turns into an hour or more, with one option only to get out north of their community, nevermind anyone else who has to get west.

Ridiculous that this issue has taken this long, 5 years at least too long with the First Nations dragging their feet, and then caving in against their Chiefs support last minute...as I said, any candidate who downplays this as a major city infrastructure/efficiency/quality of life issue that affects probably 100K+ people in one way or another on a regular basis, or, wants to spend more time and money researching alternatives, when the research has been done, and plans are in place to move ahead, have absolutley no right to hold the title of leading this city as mayor.

10-04-2010, 01:09 AM	#328
browna Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Calgary Exp:	As far as I'm concerned, any candidate who says a new SW ring road is not necessary, short term or long term, is out to lunch. Decades of city planning and studies have proved that (and shot down the 14st Theory). If the "First Nations" weren't scared by some in the reserve (which didn't include the Chief) on that last weekend before the vote, that the white man was trading them modern day disease infected blankets in the form of land title swaps (which weren't secured yet was the issue...obviously as the province didn't own all that land at that exact second) and dump trucks full of cash for each band member, for thier valuable Buffalo meat (in the modern day form of land access to build a road) the project would be well on its way and that much closer to a much more efficient traffic management in this city and I don't think there'd be too many people complaining. I live in Lakeview, and used to live in deep south when I went to U of C just over a decade ago. A car is stalled in the right lane at 14st and Glenmore? Gawkers force cars backing up to Curry Barracks, and that was a decade ago...now the lineup starts just past 17th SW just based on volume, never mind an accident on that single solitary road to get from the West Central SW and further south to the Central SW. Far far far too many bottlenecks to say that 14st is the solution. Even if you widen it from Southland or even knock out homes and make it Anderson, you still have only two lanes crossing over the flyover onto Glenmore. You have one lane off ramp then from MacLeod South on to Anderson West to get to 14st. You have to build an interchange at MacLeod and 14st. Probably one at Anderson and Elbow too, and at Anderson and 24st to stop the traffic from backing up before it gets to the widened (but bottlenecked in the end at Glenmore) 14st. Nevermind the daily delays it will take as all that widening and interchanges get built on those current, and currently over capacity roads like 14st, having to build detours like the did on the Glenmore widening/Elbow underpass from 2003-2008 so that at least some traffic can continue to flow. Instead, a new road gets built, affecting virtually nothing other then the widening of Glenmore trail between Sarcee and Crowchild, where the space is there were disruption is minimal. The main section from Glenmore south along 37st can be done as fast as they can roll out pavement, put up a bridge and put up new interchanges where there is nothing but brushland now south of the Weasalhead, not worrying about rerouting anything. The plan to have Glenmore widened past Crowchild to 3 lanes both ways has been ready to go for 6 years, and the widening up to Crowchild as of last year proves any doubt about that. Land is there and so are the detailed plans, as I saw at an open house just after we moved here. The holdup was getting the reserve ring road deal done. So, Glenmore and the interchanges at Crowchild and the plan at 37 st, are ready to handle the extra traffic coming too and from downtown (and obviously from the Sarcee Trail side), far more ahead then even the silly stop gap notion of widening 14st. Make it 37st. Get it done. Don't bother cowering to the First Nations and make the access to their Casino as difficult as possible (I would say make the First Nations build their own road from the south). Ensure no access to Lakeview from 37st to prevent cutting through, and make sure Lakeview residents have the proper sound walls and are able keep priority access to North Glenmore park. Do it as enviromentally "quiet" as possible over that part of the Weaslhead and resovior. Make sure the interchanges along the way connect properly/future proofed...at Anderson, 90th, Southland, James McKevitt, as you extend 37 st south to 22x past James McKevitt. As Lakeview residents, will suck, especially those on the west side...some of the greatest views of the mountains from some of those homes with nothing across from them on 37st. But this has to be done, inexcusible that the access to downtown and the west side of the city, for those that live even in the central sw like Oakridge, Palliser, and places south, have to rely on one single road Glenmore being accident free, or else a 30 minute commute to downtown turns into an hour or more, with one option only to get out north of their community, nevermind anyone else who has to get west. Ridiculous that this issue has taken this long, 5 years at least too long with the First Nations dragging their feet, and then caving in against their Chiefs support last minute...as I said, any candidate who downplays this as a major city infrastructure/efficiency/quality of life issue that affects probably 100K+ people in one way or another on a regular basis, or, wants to spend more time and money researching alternatives, when the research has been done, and plans are in place to move ahead, have absolutley no right to hold the title of leading this city as mayor. Last edited by browna; 10-04-2010 at 01:31 AM.