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transplant99 · 09-06-2004, 02:44 PM

Hell yes, I would be 100 percent behind that because there would have been world concensus and participation on this military action. If the Americans were fighting along side the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese, the French

3 of those 4 wanted Hussein to remain in power because of MONEY...no greater motive than that. Of course they disagreed with the action...it ended up costing them billions of dollars as they could
1) No longer sell arms to Hussein
or
2) No longer skirt the oil for food program and purchase his oil at rock bottom prices...illegally as outlined BY THE UN!!

The fact that none of these countries could find the evidence presented convincing was more than enough to say it was nothing but BS.

Are you serious? ALL of these countries Ok'd 17 resolutions against Iraq in regards to the WMD program he had....why did they do that if it was all BS??

The UN is there as mechanism to protect the countries that cannot protect themselves from the world superpowers, and their decisions must be followed by ALL countries, including the United States, no matter what the transgression was against them.

I see...so the UN is the all saying power among international disputes, but when they themselves are the ones that threaten military action aginst Iraq for transgressions of their own resolutions, yet do not follow through, then the rest of the world has to follow along? What's the point of threats if you aren't willing to follow up? I might add this is the same UN that had LIBYA appointed to chair and oversee its Human Right Violations division.

If this is the course of action that the US wishes to take, then why the hell are they not in Sudan? Why are they not in North Korea, where a manaical dictator IS killing his own people and DOES have weapons of mass destruction? Removing a dangerous dictator? That's a bullsh*t answer and you know it Tranny. The US military said that Hussein was no threat. It was the civilian group that forced the issue. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were the drivers behind this invasion. Not the intelligence community. Not the military. It was the civilains in the pentagon. The two motivations that have been floated have been proven to be false. That leaves others, which are greed and a grudge. Neither is a good motivation for making an illegal military intervention into a country.

What's BS...that removing Hussein was a reason for the war or that he was a dangerous dictator?

Why are the US NOT in N Korea? Because they are in SOUTH KOREA...you know right next door which allows for the area to be stable. It keeps Kim in check. Funny how a democracy with support from the worlds super power is able to do that huh? The key is having a democracy in place in the region to negin with...i guess thats lost on you though. Hey maybe they should leave the S Koreans to fend for themselves since they have no right to help out other countries or "impose their version of democracy"....right? Kim can then roll into S Korea (like his father attempted) kill hundreds of thousands, get a bigger piece of the area, gain more power, and you can sleep better at night knowing the US isnt intervening in other countries domestic affairs. That's better.

That's a simple answer. Another Bush (Jeb) runs for office. He's the guy that the PNAC has been grooming. He'll be a popular candidate as well, especially with the Hispanic community. If Bush feels he isn't ready, the PNAC finds another candidate they can easily control as Bush 43. It probably doesn't take a lot find a dim wit like Bush that would want to be President.

I'll say this. If the 2008 or 2012 elections are won by a Republican, and you see a lot of the names that are PNAC members, then I think you can come back and apologize then. If these guys disappear from the scene all together, then I'll come back and say just how wrong I was in accusing them of a clandestine operation to control the Whitehouse.

Wow. The conspiracy theory is already planned well into the next decade...OK, now i understand.

Really? I don't use links much because I don't believe what the mainstream media is telling us. The

this board is LITTERED with links from you. What are you talking about.

The media is way too fickle and doesn't follow through on stories so you never get the complete picture. You have to continue to dig yourself and find the information from other sources (you do remember what books are, right?).

Read them all the time. Dont get the complete picture? OK then.

The perfect example is Afghanistan. WTF is going on there? We haven't heard jack as to what is going on there because it is no longer sexy to the American media, the front line reporters have moved on to Iraq and because the government has choked off reports coming out of there. Should that not be the primary front on the "War against Terror"? You speak of credability, but what credability does the media have when they can't follow a story through to its finish?

Not more than 2 hours ago I watched a report about Afghanistan....good timing. It's an ongoing struggle there as well as it is in Iraq. There are extremists in both countries that simply dont want the people to get control of their own governments. The Taliban is trying to hang on but are finding it increasingly difficult. Insurgents exist all over the region....sounds like Iraq doesnt it? They arent the good guys Lanny....they are the ones blowing things up. Why shouldnt the US be helping to weed them out and destroy them?

Hell, at least I was proven right that the Americans were indeed lying in regards to WMD and their motivations of going into Iraq. Or do you still cling to the hope that WMD are going to be found

Too rich.

YOU were proven right?? Holy moly, meglomania is alive and well I see. How were the Americans proven to be lying exactly? The UN itself ( you know the very body you are relying on in this most bizarre argument) admits FULLY that they existed, in fact their head guy says so to this very day. There are 17 resolutions against Iraq for breaking their agreements with the UN in regards to WMD. Are those all BS as well now? All made up?

And yes i have no doubt WMD will still be found...somewhere. Thats the scariest part of this whole thing to me...where the hell are the WMD that ALL countries on the security council admitted he had and punished him for? Still buried/hidden in the Iraqi desert or in the hands of some other rogue nation? If its the latter i truly pray that the US or someone else goes and gets them before they are used.

Believe what you want Tranny.

Thanks...I will.

But I think you are placing way too much faith in the media and in believing that the Whitehouse is going to give the full story on soemthing that could be completely humiliating to them.

Why do you think the media/White house is only what has formed my opinion? I have been around long enough to know where to gleen my info from, and where to read/watch and who to listen too. Here is a hint...it aint someone like Rush Limbaugh. Ditto Michael Moore.

Every day they find a new excuse to ignore domestic affairs and focus on international affairs

Ummm...its not the medias job to drive the agendas of candidates. If you want to see more discussion on domestic issues, maybe you should look at Kerry and ask why he isnt doing that. I have never ever seen him say one thing about what he would do differently in this regard. Only that he will be different...just dont know how. And when the face to face debates occur...believe me, you WILL see the media ask those domestic affair questions repeatedly. WHich will fly in the face of the "Bush controlled media" theory you possess.

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transplant99 Fearmongerer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign. Exp:	Hell yes, I would be 100 percent behind that because there would have been world concensus and participation on this military action. If the Americans were fighting along side the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese, the French 3 of those 4 wanted Hussein to remain in power because of MONEY...no greater motive than that. Of course they disagreed with the action...it ended up costing them billions of dollars as they could 1) No longer sell arms to Hussein or 2) No longer skirt the oil for food program and purchase his oil at rock bottom prices...illegally as outlined BY THE UN!! The fact that none of these countries could find the evidence presented convincing was more than enough to say it was nothing but BS. Are you serious? ALL of these countries Ok'd 17 resolutions against Iraq in regards to the WMD program he had....why did they do that if it was all BS?? The UN is there as mechanism to protect the countries that cannot protect themselves from the world superpowers, and their decisions must be followed by ALL countries, including the United States, no matter what the transgression was against them. I see...so the UN is the all saying power among international disputes, but when they themselves are the ones that threaten military action aginst Iraq for transgressions of their own resolutions, yet do not follow through, then the rest of the world has to follow along? What's the point of threats if you aren't willing to follow up? I might add this is the same UN that had LIBYA appointed to chair and oversee its Human Right Violations division. If this is the course of action that the US wishes to take, then why the hell are they not in Sudan? Why are they not in North Korea, where a manaical dictator IS killing his own people and DOES have weapons of mass destruction? Removing a dangerous dictator? That's a bullsht answer and you know it Tranny. The US military said that Hussein was no threat. It was the civilian group that forced the issue. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were the drivers behind this invasion. Not the intelligence community. Not the military. It was the civilains in the pentagon. The two motivations that have been floated have been proven to be false. That leaves others, which are greed and a grudge. Neither is a good motivation for making an illegal military intervention into a country. What's BS...that removing Hussein was a reason for the war or that he was a dangerous dictator? Why are the US NOT in N Korea? Because they are in SOUTH KOREA...you know right next door which allows for the area to be stable. It keeps Kim in check. Funny how a democracy with support from the worlds super power is able to do that huh? The key is having a democracy in place in the region to negin with...i guess thats lost on you though. Hey maybe they should leave the S Koreans to fend for themselves since they have no right to help out other countries or "impose their version of democracy"....right? Kim can then roll into S Korea (like his father attempted) kill hundreds of thousands, get a bigger piece of the area, gain more power, and you can sleep better at night knowing the US isnt intervening in other countries domestic affairs. That's better. That's a simple answer. Another Bush (Jeb) runs for office. He's the guy that the PNAC has been grooming. He'll be a popular candidate as well, especially with the Hispanic community. If Bush feels he isn't ready, the PNAC finds another candidate they can easily control as Bush 43. It probably doesn't take a lot find a dim wit like Bush that would want to be President. I'll say this. If the 2008 or 2012 elections are won by a Republican, and you see a lot of the names that are PNAC members, then I think you can come back and apologize then. If these guys disappear from the scene all together, then I'll come back and say just how wrong I was in accusing them of a clandestine operation to control the Whitehouse. Wow. The conspiracy theory is already planned well into the next decade...OK, now i understand. Really? I don't use links much because I don't believe what the mainstream media is telling us. The* this board is LITTERED with links from you. What are you talking about. The media is way too fickle and doesn't follow through on stories so you never get the complete picture. You have to continue to dig yourself and find the information from other sources (you do remember what books are, right?). Read them all the time. Dont get the complete picture? OK then. The perfect example is Afghanistan. WTF is going on there? We haven't heard jack as to what is going on there because it is no longer sexy to the American media, the front line reporters have moved on to Iraq and because the government has choked off reports coming out of there. Should that not be the primary front on the "War against Terror"? You speak of credability, but what credability does the media have when they can't follow a story through to its finish? Not more than 2 hours ago I watched a report about Afghanistan....good timing. It's an ongoing struggle there as well as it is in Iraq. There are extremists in both countries that simply dont want the people to get control of their own governments. The Taliban is trying to hang on but are finding it increasingly difficult. Insurgents exist all over the region....sounds like Iraq doesnt it? They arent the good guys Lanny....they are the ones blowing things up. Why shouldnt the US be helping to weed them out and destroy them? Hell, at least I was proven right that the Americans were indeed lying in regards to WMD and their motivations of going into Iraq. Or do you still cling to the hope that WMD are going to be found Too rich. YOU were proven right?? Holy moly, meglomania is alive and well I see. How were the Americans proven to be lying exactly? The UN itself ( you know the very body you are relying on in this most bizarre argument) admits FULLY that they existed, in fact their head guy says so to this very day. There are 17 resolutions against Iraq for breaking their agreements with the UN in regards to WMD. Are those all BS as well now? All made up? And yes i have no doubt WMD will still be found...somewhere. Thats the scariest part of this whole thing to me...where the hell are the WMD that ALL countries on the security council admitted he had and punished him for? Still buried/hidden in the Iraqi desert or in the hands of some other rogue nation? If its the latter i truly pray that the US or someone else goes and gets them before they are used. Believe what you want Tranny. Thanks...I will. But I think you are placing way too much faith in the media and in believing that the Whitehouse is going to give the full story on soemthing that could be completely humiliating to them. Why do you think the media/White house is only what has formed my opinion? I have been around long enough to know where to gleen my info from, and where to read/watch and who to listen too. Here is a hint...it aint someone like Rush Limbaugh. Ditto Michael Moore. Every day they find a new excuse to ignore domestic affairs and focus on international affairs Ummm...its not the medias job to drive the agendas of candidates. If you want to see more discussion on domestic issues, maybe you should look at Kerry and ask why he isnt doing that. I have never ever seen him say one thing about what he would do differently in this regard. Only that he will be different...just dont know how. And when the face to face debates occur...believe me, you WILL see the media ask those domestic affair questions repeatedly. WHich will fly in the face of the "Bush controlled media" theory you possess.