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Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Sep 6 2004, 05:48 AM
Lanny....you are too much....the Bush administration is a 'fringe element' and is going down the same path as the Nazis?
I can't stop laughing at how junior-high you've become.
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Neo-Cons are not the fringe element? WTF? On what planet? I can't believe how freakin' stupid you've become. Any group that promotes imperialism through military might is a fringe element IMO, and a damn dangerous one. If anyone thinks otherwise they are freakin idiots as well. In a world where a lot of nations already have nuclear weapons, and the weapons are available on the blackmarket as well, invasion of other countries to further your view of what is democracy is not a smart thing to do. All its going to take is one country to get an itchy trigger finger and this thing goes terribly wrong and the whole world pays for it.
I want to know what right the United States has to invade any country that did not provoke them? Iraq did NOT provoke the United States into this engagement. They may not have been complying to UN Weapons Sanctions like the US had wanted, but the other countries in the world seemed to be satisfied. If they were not satisfied they would be on the bandwagon and party of the so call coalition (just how many swimmers are there in this coalition anyways?). Of course some moron is going to toss out the Food-for-Oil conspiracy, but just like the WMD scare, where is the evidence? Where are the UN sanctions against these countries that committed these violations of international law? There aren't any because its another fabrication by the Americans to justify their war in Iraq to secure the oil fields and develop a base from which to control the region.
What right does the US have to tell anyone what they can and cannot do within their own borders? Since when does one of the most morally corrupt nations on the planet have the right to tell someone what is right and what is wrong? These morons don't have a grip on their own country and they are marching around the globe telling other nations what is right and what is wrong, under the guise of their own national security? And you people fall for it? As Tranny likes to say, Wow! I guess when the US decides to bend Canada over for the Alberta tar sands , through either economic pressure, political or military intervention, the tune will change quickly?
I don't know how more people do not see the startling similarities between components of the present US administration and the Nazi's in their infancy. The Nazi's of the mid thirties were a party that was considered on the extreme right (like Neo-Conservatives in today's world). They got elected using German pride as their primary platform, using the last war as a fear device and the strength of the German people as their mantra. They cast anyone who was not a Nazi an enemy of the country, just like the Republicans did at the RNC this past week. While some are going to say that this was electioneering it does not change that this is very strong language, similar language to that which was used 70 years ago. The Nazi's wanted Germany to become as great as she was prior to the Great War and were busy ramping up their military to levels equal that which the Kaiser had for WWI. The Nazi's were also bent on expanding their influence in the region and securing their national security as well, so they invaded countries that were "perceived threats" as well. They did so to expand their national reserves and to develop potential bases to launch further campaigns. They were expanding their political ideals, enforcing them on other countries against their will, through military might. The Nazi's had a plan and a list of nations they wanted to defeat. The Americans supposedly have a similar list, in attaining their goal of defeating terror. Now this is where the Americans have a huge advantage. They already have military bases around the world, and agreements to sustain these bases for the forseeable future, which makes their ability to launch attacks that much easier. There is no parallel here? Since when did the word "globalization" or term "global economy" give one nation the right to invade others to forward its own interests? The world sat back and let the Nazi's take their first steps toward a similar goal and they are doing the same for the US.
Now, getting on to the "War Against Terror", why are the Americans not up in arms about what is going on in Russia with the Chechyns? Is this not as bad as what happened in New York? Is this not a gross display of terrorism that needs to be dealt with? What about ridding the world of dictators? What about what is going on in Sudan and the ruthless dictator there? Why are the Americans not all of this like a fat chick on a Smartie. This should be an easy battle for them as the Sudanese have no defense to speak of. The answers are easy. They don't achieve the goal of "accepting responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to
our security,
our prosperity, and
our principles." Seems like they want to force their way of life and doing things onto other nations. While most of you feel that a McDonalds on every corner is a good thing, the majority of the world does not, and they have every right to feel that way. The United States has no right to tell any nation how they should run their country and treat their people when the United States is a world leader in so many social problems in its own right.
All you young guys need to talk to your grand parents, if they are old enough to have seen the war. My father saw it and he's damn worried about where this world is headed. He says the similiarities are scary. That's from someone who lived it. But of course we know better, because we get to watch the news and hear the talking heads tell us exactly what the government has approved which information has been released. People tend to think that we are "free" and hear the truth from the media. What they forget is that all broadcasting agencies are regulated and gets much of their information from government sources. We get one side of the story, the side that the government wishes us to get. We are trained to turn our noses up at all others and call them propaganda. Seems to me the populous has bought into the mind control game that the war department needs to be successful. People talk about democracy, yet they refuse to use the most important responsibility of the concept, and that is to question. We are the government and we are the oversight. The minute we stop asking questions is the minute that corruption takes hold and the fringe takes advantage of this freedom. It happened in the past and will happen in the future. Our responsibility is to stop that by demanding evidence (nee proof) before allowing unilateral action to be taken by any nation.
(BTW... what is the difference between what the Nazi's did in Poland, the Soviets did in Czechslovakia or in Afghanistan? Or what about American actionsin Haiti, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.? I know these are junior high school questions, but please feel free to educate me as to what the difference is for one country versus another.)