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Old 09-09-2010, 03:54 PM   #276
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That sort of veers close to the ad hominem, don't you think? I'm not even close to a biblical inerrant.
I never meant to suggest that you were, and meant no offense by this. I only sought to show that this is the level at which I encounter this line of reasoning. My apologies.

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I can reiterate my response by saying that liberal progressivism is basically dead, don't you think? 9/11, the 2008 economic collapse and bailout, and the increasing environmental degradation are material signs that this whiz-bang world of technology has some major stumbling blocks.
I can agree with this in part, but am not so naïve as to conclude that the challenges to the modern worldview have spelled its end or doomed it to failure. Furthermore, each one of those material signs tends to be evaluated in a very limited sense. "Environmental degradation", for example, tends to presume that nature is prestine, failing to acknowledge that the natural world is also savage and hostile to our species.

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Do we ask why this change occurs or whether it was good? We've seen the breakdown of the nation-state in a big way the last 50 years and its replacement with the bureaucratic state. Is this a good thing?
I honestly cannot say for sure, because quantifying such changes as positive or negative will will generally become subject to the collective conscience.
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