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Old 09-04-2010, 11:45 AM   #1249
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Originally Posted by AFireInside View Post
I guess the one problem I see with your opinion is that if you are going to turn your place into a rental and move somewhere else do you not need to have 20% down for your next place? 20% down is not common these days especially when the average house price is $400,000.

I agree with you that people are very resistant to lose money on their property, that's common sense. However, there are people out there who are retiring, have lost jobs, etc who purchased properties before the spike and can therefore lower their prices if they need to sell, and still make a killing on their home.

If sales are declining, and it is becoming more difficult to sell, some of these will lower their prices, and it will affect other sale prices.

Also I don't agree that something drastic such as increased unemployment levels are needed to cause housing prices to decrease. Houses are over valued, and people have spent more than ever before on their homes. I believe it was posted earlier in this thread.

Before 2000, house prices tended to hover with a narrow range of between three and four times provincial annual median income. Today, house prices are anywhere from 4.7 to 11.3 times the median income, says the report.

I guess I just can't ignore that stat.

I look at the new MLX listings everyday, several times a day. Prices are dropping out there. There was listing I just looked at, that is down over $60,000 from when it was purchased in 2007. The list price is down over 20% from what the property was purchased at. This is not a special case, the exact same unit in better shape just sold for significanly less than this unit. Meaning that this particular property could potentially sell for 25% less than it was purchased for in 2007.

Does this mean every property will decrease by this much? Absolutely not. But these situations are occurring right now. Decreased demand, increased supply, increasing interest rates (BOC at least ), all point in one direction. Add to the fact that housing prices have exceeded wage increases. It just seems to me that everything points towards a serious correction. Call it a bubble, or whatever you like.. As far as I'm concerned 15% is getting into serious correction territory..

These are the same things heard from the U.S. before their meltdown, can't happen here, it would take something drastic etc. Are prices guaranteed to decrease by a large amount, no of course not, but thats the way it looks.

Meh.. I'm getting tired of this debate at this point. Those associated with the real estate industry, and those who have recently purchased will never admit that housing prices could potentially decrease by a significant amount without an earth shattering catastrophic event causing such a decrease, I can certainly understand that position.

I dunno it's very late/early depending on who you are so this may be complete jibberish....
All good points.

1) As soon as you turn your primary residence into a rental property, and have a lease agreement on it, you can purchase another property (so long as you are living in it) for 5% down.
I know this because I own a house in Edmonton thats rented out, I am renting right now in Calgary, and I just purchased a condo for 5% down.

2) Yes prices have come down since 2007 in excess of 20%
What I am skeptical of, is a further drop of 20% from today's selling averages.
Some people out there have listed their home like it is still 2007 because they need to recoup their initial investmennt (downpayment) plus they dont want to take a loss on their house.
These certain few will inevitably have to take a huge loss on their home if they would like to sell in today's market.

So when I am referring to the unlikely scenario of a 20% drop, I am talking about a further drop in a home purchased today at or below current market value.

Last edited by 1stLand; 09-04-2010 at 03:05 PM. Reason: bolding quoted items
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