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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

My commentatry is based solely to illustrate the point that modern mainstream music lacks artistic merit. I gave eight specific points why and you addressed none of them. You then went on to provide me a ninth point that modern bands write cliches to feed the masses in demographics.

And my point is that "artistic merit" is in the eye of the beholder. My grandparents' generation didn't find much artistic merit in the bands you mention below. Such is life. Each generation, culture and demographic has its own tastes. The eight points you listed were all about the complexity of the arrangement, not the merits of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

This argument started when you poked fun at "moldy classic rock". Do you think for one second that internationally beloved and timeless bands like Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, etc etc etc ever cared about "writing to a demographic?" That is so not rock n roll. In the slightest. It is everything these bands stood against, and will always stand against.

We can only guess at their intentions, but I suspect most of those bands cared more for the lifestyle than the artistry of it all. I think you give the bands you like far too much credit, and the bands you hate far too little. Those bands wrote music that appealed to wide audiences and was commercially successful and that is the entire reason why they are remembered.

They will be remembered long after every one of the pathetic shlock rock bands you seem to revere are long forgotten as just another generic clone designed to make money. No artistic merit. Just $$$.

I've made no statement on what I do and do not "revere", I merely commented that the market for the style of commercial rock that Nickelback and their clones makes is quite large. All of the assumptions that you have made, inlcuding your predictions of the future, are a product of your own hyper-defensiveness.

I even posted in this thread that if you can actually discuss the points I brought up, or even ones I didn't which actually address the spirit of the posts I have made and commentary therein, then we are having a healthy argument. I am not above being wrong, or above reconsidering my opinions, but you don't seem to have the capacity to actually discuss music, art, or the integrity of said in any kind of intellectually discernable manner.

Putting aside your ad hominem attacks, you aren't getting my point: There is no right or wrong answer. I am not out to prove you wrong because I am not out to tell you what kind of music you should like or dislike. That is your individual choice. You like music with more complex arrangements. That's cool. The 30+ million albums Nickelback has sold says a lot of people like their style as well. Again, that is cool.

Your ideas that they tap into what audiences want and that makes it okay bothers me. They might as well be programming a video game.

I have to admit to being rather lost as to why you are so offended by the fact that people have different tastes than you do.

Rather than address the points I have asked you to as per what is a reaosnable discussion on something as subjective as musical taste, you have decided to circumlocute said points and instead attack me as though I am claiming my opinion to be fact. If you think you can actually discuss why you think classic rock is "moldy" then feel free to come back to this thread and engage in a debate with me utilizing facts, properly presented interpretations of what exactly about the subject matter does or does not "do it for you", and not just resort back to "its what the masses want." Timeless bands like the ones mentioned above didn't give two-craps about what the masses wanted, and they will be remembered forever.

Somehow I picture you frothing at the mouth as you type this, as you just repeated your entire post in one paragraph. As such, everything but my opinion of CJAY's play list is already addressed above. And to respond to that final point, my "moldy" comment referred to the fact that CJAY has no variety whatsoever in its play lists, especially as pertains to classic rock. While I think you are full of crap when you say those classic rock bands were about artistry and not money, they are certainly well remembered bands that had far more than the one or two hit songs that CJAY plays.