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Originally Posted by peter12
This is a position brilliantly addressed by Eagleton. You are accepting evidence under a particular set of ideological circumstances, ie. liberal humanism. You also are not addressing other types of evidence presented by theologians such as Thomas Aquineas or Maimonides.
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I'd still like to see some examples of evidence in other sets of ideological circumstances BTW.
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Originally Posted by peter12
It's not a trap at all. What evidence supports the belief in moral progress?
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History. Over time we've discovered better objective standards for morality.
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Originally Posted by Finny61
Well Christians primarily have the same common values and some similar beliefs but we both know that it varies hence the numerous denominations.
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That's true, and that's why in my opinion anyone discussing such things should be clear about what they're talking about, or better yet discuss the particular issue rather than try and lump it all under the umbrella Christianity.
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With atheism yes there is the common belief in no existence of God
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Not really, some atheists believe that god does not exist, but some atheists just lack the belief that god exists. There is a difference (weak vs. strong atheism).
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Originally Posted by Finny61
but each Athiest's values can differ (ie: an Athiest who does not see inherent threat in someone who is religious versus someone who does perceive a threat which is the point I've tried to make previously).
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Exactly, so it's more useful to define things by the actual issue rather than a generalization. Especially so in the case of atheists who share no value system.