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Old 08-11-2010, 05:00 PM   #71
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I might agree with the concept but you make it difficult with your choices of replacements at the end. Why not reason with virtue? Why not philosophy? Just because our society is focused on some things does not mean that every society lacking a belief in god must be that way.
Okay, here I was passing off a philosopher's ideas as my own, which is cool because he's dead and can't sue me.

Basically, Thomas Hobbes and John Locke, two men were instrumental in developing the idea of a secular and constitutional democracy, separate the idea of god from the city or state and replace it with the shared rationality of all to exit the state of nature and set up civil government.

This is only possible, at least according to Locke, because of the impossibility of an Ultimate Sovereign, ie. God.
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