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Originally Posted by etdpratt
1. Ok first, blacks were allowed in the mormon church before 1978. Check your facts. There were positions within the church which they couldn't hold.
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Stand corrected, but certainly the point remains. They held a belief, they changed it, thus my point about gay rights.
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2. Second, where did you get those facts about gay mormons and their suicide rate? From my research online I have seen many sources that list 1. Protestant 2. Catholics with the lowest suicide rate with Jews.
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You could find some links from this page of mormons looking to have their church treat gay's better.
http://www.ldsapology.org/LDSSuicides.htm
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3. I know for a fact that the mormon church has never said that Gay people are born straight. I challenge you to support your wild claims.
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One quote has already been put up, you could also watch:
http://www.mormonproposition.com/
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5. You believe that their belief system is old an outdated. That is entirely your opinion and not fact because for them and other Christian believers, God doesn't change.
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Yes I believe their beliefs are old and outdated. Not just my opinion, most Christians laugh at mormon beliefs; guess thats intolerant Christians right? Not to mention Christianity, Islam, Mormonism and all religion change, they change even major beliefs over time as society evolves. Sorry, God does change, he changes his mind a lot.
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6. The mormon church was at the head of prop 8 but many other Christian religions were in full support, including the Catholics and Protestants. This isn't Mormons against Homosexuals.
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Yep, but I'm not only mad at the Mormon church, I'm mad at all those who voted with them. However the mormon elders abused their powers and pushed regular mormons into action, stating this was a order from god to go and donate large sums of money and time to defeating this bill. You did not see anything like that from other mainstream groups, at least on the money and volunteer side of this.
If the Mormon church wants to put money into political movements like this, let them then pay taxes, otherwise stay out of it and let individuals each decide not have a group of elders tell them what to do and think; oh and give money to.
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7. "You say the church is imposing or trying to force their beliefs." This is a democracy, and they are voting on this issue. They are not forcing anybody to do anything.
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They are forcing their beliefs unto others. Simple. The majority isn't always right, this is why we have constitutions to protect minorities and ensure the majority can't bully a minority within the law.
Its a choice to believe in God, its not a choice to be gay.