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Old 08-05-2010, 11:40 AM   #118
EddyBeers
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I find it interesting that you know so much about the Mormon Church, yet you are definitely not Mormon, as per your post on an earlier page.

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1. Ok first, blacks were allowed in the mormon church before 1978. Check your facts. There were positions within the church which they couldn't hold.
- Like was said earlier, you could be black and in the mormon church, you just could not be a priest or have a celestial marriage. The Church had a revelation in 1978 right around the same time that the US Government was reviewing their tax exempt status. The Lord certainly works in mysterious ways.

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3. I know for a fact that the mormon church has never said that Gay people are born straight. I challenge you to support your wild claims.
""The unholy transgression of homosexuality is either rapidly growing or tolerance is giving it wider publicity. … The Lord condemns and forbids this practice....'God made me that way,' some say, as they rationalize and excuse themselves...'I can’t help it,' they add. This is blasphemy. Is man not made in the image of God, and does he think God to be 'that way'?"
-President Kimball, 1981
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_lds2.htm

Unless you can tell me that when he says it is blasphemy that gays say they were made that way does not mean that gay people are born straight, I would assume that it is clear that the President of the Mormon Church is stating that humans are born straight, otherwise you would have to imply that he thinks God might swing both ways?

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5. You believe that their belief system is old an outdated. That is entirely your opinion and not fact because for them and other Christian believers, God doesn't change.
God does change. In terms of the specific Mormon example why do you think that the following things changed within the Church after Joseph Smith received his revelation:

1) Black's being allowed to become priests and obtain celestial marriage;
2) Chewing Tobacco being banned by the church;
3) Plural marriage being outlawed;

Amongst many other changes to the doctrine. That is why you can have revelations, so that the doctrine can consistently change because God is always changing, or so one would have to presume otherwise the initial revelations in the 1830's should have stood the test of time.

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