Oh and for honesty and full disclosure there is definitely a part of the new atheist movement which favors soft sell approach rather than the more in your face ways of PZ Meyers, Hitchins and of course Dawkins.
I think both ways are inevitable, just as you had Malcolm X and Martin Luther King in the civil rights movement.
Everyone expresses their frustration differently, both sides, and to waste time and energy pointing that out or focusing on this as a debate point really wastes the time we could be spending on real worthwhile discussions.
I mean I think from even a few years ago I mellowed out on my religion sucks attitude on these boards and am more mild mannered (usually.)
But really, and again in point of honesty even though there are what you'd call accomidationists in the non believer camp (you'll find many of them don't like being called atheists), they still hold the viewpoint religious people are dead wrong, they are just nicer to them about it.
