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Old 07-10-2010, 04:16 AM   #163
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Then if I have mischaracterized your comments, you have mischaracterized mine as I have never said that it was not a contributing factor.
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Almost every major conflict in human history is ultimately politically or economically motivated.
That second quote doesn't really jibe with the first. You are saying that the "ultimate motivation" for war is either political or economic quite plainly and unambiguously - I don't see how I'm misconstruing your comments at all, it's more like you're contradicting yourself.

There is no such thing as an "ultimate" cause for any war or other complex chain of events. The idea that there is such a thing is an illusion fostered by our limited human capacity for reason. There are proximate causes that are necessary for certain events, but every war ever waged had many causes, among which almost always include political, cultural, ethnic, religious and economic. In certain cases - including the Israeli wars which I think you've mentioned before, and repeatedly incorrectly identify as a mostly secular conflict - religion IS that proximate cause, as differences in religious belief act as a catalyst in turning peace into war.
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