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Originally Posted by Doctordestiny
I think it's impossible that this wonderful body of mine (granted I could lose a few pounds) could exist in such a complex, delicately balanced world that seems perfectly created for us. That all of this could come essentially from nothing seems to me to be a greater leap of faith than the possibility that there could be a creator who is responsible for all of this. Look around you (or in the mirror) at the enormous complexity of the world, all of the creatures that occupy it and the enormous vastness of space around this world and maybe you'll see my point. How else could this have come about?
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Well strictly speaking this is simply an argument from personal ignorance.. "I think it's impossible" does not equate to "It is impossible". So while poetic it's not really a valid argument.
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Originally Posted by Doctordestiny
I do think that God and science can exist in harmony. I believe in evolution as God's tool for creation.
No other possibility makes more sense to me than that.
I do expect to be blasted for this. Be gentle.  |
And that's fine, if people want to think of evolution as a tool of god's, that's fine. In the same way that gravity is also a tool.. god doesn't sit around moving the planets around by hand, god created gravity to do it. God doesn't sit around creating each lifeform by hand, god created evolution to do that.
But as has been pointed out, that is more like a deist than a theist. The idea that humans evolved from earlier life forms kind of goes against the whole Adam/Eve/original sin idea (unless you take that as a metaphor). Though Catholics have the idea of ensoulment.. life evolved and eventually a species got to the point that god gave them souls. To try and bridge the two together I guess.
That would make it easier to explain the terrible design you see in nature as well, and the huge amounts of suffering and pain and death in the animal world... I find it very difficult to say god specifically created all the species as they are and resolving that with the pain and death and bad design (almost makes god into a sadist), whereas a god that just created evolution and let it run its path makes more sense with what's observed.
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Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames
After looking at some of the posts on this board I can say that it's too bad Christians are not afforded the same luxery. Not that the Christians on this board are being killed or banished but certainly ridiculed. It's a shame how a discussion about religion can be turned into Christian bashing.
And I'm sure I'll be bashed for even posting this.
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I don't do much bashing myself, but it goes with the territory.. believe something and someone else is going to bash it. Like the Flames? Too bad, other fans bash you. Liberal? Get ready to read liberal bashing in the paper, and see political cartoons that target liberals.
I guess my question is do you think all of that should be gone? No bashing Canucks Fans? Can't bash NDP party members? Nerds can't bash jocks? Pirates and Ninjas have to live in harmony?
I think it's just a case of not taking the bashing too seriously..